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13 years 10 months ago - 13 years 10 months ago #7832 by salmson
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Not one player in the squad, though I presume the last prop place will go to Wilko if fit/Loughs otherwise. One has to question the value of bringing Ferris, a summer off would surely do him more good, however fair play to Deccie for manning up and discarding Paddy Wallace, even if he's 3 years late on that one.

Forwards (16):
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
... Stephen Ferris (Dungannon/Ulster)
Declan Fitzpatrick (Dungannon /Ulster)*
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
Jamie Heaslip (Naas/Leinster)
Sean O'Brien (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donncha O'Callaghan (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
Mike Sherry (Garryowen/Munster)*
Dan Tuohy (Ballymena /Ulster)
A.N. Other
A.N. Other
A.N. Other

Backs (13):
Darren Cave ( Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
Gordon D'Arcy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
Fergus McFadden (Old Belvedere/Leinster)
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
Brian O'Driscoll (UCD/Leinster) Captain
Ronan O'Gara (Cork Constitution/Munster)
Eoin Reddan (Lansdowne/Leinster)
Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster)
Andrew Trimble (Ballymena/Ulster)
Simon Zebo (Cork Constitution/Munster)*
A.N. Other
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13 years 10 months ago #7831 by salmson
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ummm, wrote: Mushy!


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Go sit on the naughty step. Now.
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13 years 10 months ago #7830 by ummm,
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Mushy!

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13 years 10 months ago #7829 by salmson
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The IMF wrote: Tom Court confirmed out for 6 weeks today will miss the trip to NZ, which hopefully should guarantee Rolocks his place on the tour. I wonder if Buckley will get a chance to join up with the senior squad now as well with this opening?


Pretty much confirms he'll be on the bench, never mind in the squad, is there another player who can play both sides, or even another TH, knocking around?

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13 years 10 months ago #7828 by The IMF
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Tom Court confirmed out for 6 weeks today will miss the trip to NZ, which hopefully should guarantee Rolocks his place on the tour. I wonder if Buckley will get a chance to join up with the senior squad now as well with this opening?

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13 years 11 months ago #7791 by rossie
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TOH still has a lot of work to do on the mental side of his game and also his work rate but he has all the talent and already a very good player. His problem international wise is there are lots of very good players already established in his position.

The same applies to macca except for the work rate point which is excellent but he is past 30 and not established and not ahead of those already there.

Duffy is the one who must have a genuine grievance. He is a very good fullback and there are no other fullbacks of note. Kidney doesnt rate him tho and at this stage of his career should do a Rio on it and concentrate on his club.

In relation to Doc, Darcy and Rogs form being poor over last 2 seasons, Darcy has been playing very well for best team in Europe, Rogs form up to the 6ns this year was very good but has dipped since and injury hasnt helped and doc is one half of prob the most experienced 2nd row partnerships in world rugby whom the coach trusts.

These summer tours are revenue generating excercises for the southern unions just as november are for us. in that regard there is a responsibility to the touring union to have its established stars on board to help the host union maximise sales.

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13 years 11 months ago #7778 by clan clover
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No i am not joking, you also agree with he is an attacking threat. Drifts in and out of games out of position a lot of the time with no one covering him , loses concentration, does not track back and needs sprint work. All can be fixed and worked on, hence why he is not in the squad, great potential but needs work. Don't start me on Eric's selection process it could be a long night.

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13 years 11 months ago #7773 by connachtexile
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So Kidney was holding out for a place on the team for the injured Felix Jones to fill. It pains me to say it but Gavin Duffy's international career is over which is a shame.

I really want Kidney gone now not because he's ignoring Connacht Players but because of his skewed and insane picking of players. Not picked a specialist Fullback but instead will stick a winger whose only played their a couple of times a season makes no sense to me. As for bringing the like of Paul O'Connell whose just coming off another major injury is lunacy. I'm sure Rob Penney will be shaking his hand when he arrives in Thomond Park. The IRFU are always bragging about how they rest players to get the best out of them so can someone please explain how bring Stephen Ferris who has been operating on one leg for the last few weeks, Ronan O'Gara who has played 40 minutes of rugby in the last month or POC is sensible to their career longevity? Madnness

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13 years 11 months ago #7758 by Creedence
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Porterbelly wrote:

Creedence wrote: Downey, Duffy and even Mike Mc are all the wrong side of 30. Wonder if that has anything to do with it?


So is O Callaghan, Darcy and ROG and they've been horribly out of form for 2 seasons


Agreed, but their default position is 'included in the squad', unlike the three above. Not saying I agree with it, but a couple of hundred international caps does count for something.

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13 years 11 months ago #7757 by Creedence
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sea_point wrote:

salmson wrote:

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Lest not forget Mick O'Driscoll


Don't get me started on Mick O'Driscoll. Nothing against the guy, excellent servant of Munster, and who knows how good he could have been if he'd been first choice somewhere. Which brings me neatly to my point: if he really had an interest in playing international rugby, he should have moved to another team - and he would have walked into any of the 3 provincial first XV's a few years ago - and started every European game and every big league game.

This nonsense of players not being good enough for their province but getting on the Irish 22 (at various stages Leamy, O'Driscoll, O'Callaghan, O'Leary, latterly Dave Kearney) has to stop.


He'll point to two HEC winners medals with Munster, but both came as a replacment in the big knockout games he was never trusted to start. His main contribution was as leader of their second string when DO'C & PO'C were unavailable due to International commitments. Another season in France might have been the making of him, maybe with a move to another club, but he took the soft option back to his school coach. To be honest if you said to me you could have either O'Driscoll or one of Macca/Swifty or Bruce Farls in their pomp who would you chose..??

Nuff said really, it wouldn't be Micko....


I think the criticism of Micko is unfair on a number of levels. First off, if you wan't to talk about the quintessential Munster do or die game - the miracle match, he was there that day. O'Callaghan came in after that and nailed down his place, but I don't think anyone would accuse him of simply turning up to pick up his wages.

I don't buy the 'he should have moved' line. If he couldn't break-up the O'Callaghan/O'Connell partnership from within the same club, where he was with them everyday, he had no chance of being able to do so from elsewhere. Bottom line is that he was never really International standard.

Secondly, Munster needed someone like him, in same way as Cullen is needed at Leinster, to run the team for the bulk of the season while the part-times are away or being wrapped in cotton wool.

If I was just looking for a lock, I'd pick Mike Mc over him everyday, but that ignores what he brought to Munster.

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13 years 11 months ago #7756 by sea_point
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salmson wrote:

sea_point wrote:
Lest not forget Mick O'Driscoll


Don't get me started on Mick O'Driscoll. Nothing against the guy, excellent servant of Munster, and who knows how good he could have been if he'd been first choice somewhere. Which brings me neatly to my point: if he really had an interest in playing international rugby, he should have moved to another team - and he would have walked into any of the 3 provincial first XV's a few years ago - and started every European game and every big league game.

This nonsense of players not being good enough for their province but getting on the Irish 22 (at various stages Leamy, O'Driscoll, O'Callaghan, O'Leary, latterly Dave Kearney) has to stop.


He'll point to two HEC winners medals with Munster, but both came as a replacment in the big knockout games he was never trusted to start. His main contribution was as leader of their second string when DO'C & PO'C were unavailable due to International commitments. Another season in France might have been the making of him, maybe with a move to another club, but he took the soft option back to his school coach. To be honest if you said to me you could have either O'Driscoll or one of Macca/Swifty or Bruce Farls in their pomp who would you chose..??

Nuff said really, it wouldn't be Micko....

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13 years 11 months ago #7755 by salmson
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sea_point wrote:
Lest not forget Mick O'Driscoll


Don't get me started on Mick O'Driscoll. Nothing against the guy, excellent servant of Munster, and who knows how good he could have been if he'd been first choice somewhere. Which brings me neatly to my point: if he really had an interest in playing international rugby, he should have moved to another team - and he would have walked into any of the 3 provincial first XV's a few years ago - and started every European game and every big league game.

This nonsense of players not being good enough for their province but getting on the Irish 22 (at various stages Leamy, O'Driscoll, O'Callaghan, O'Leary, latterly Dave Kearney) has to stop.

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13 years 11 months ago #7754 by sea_point
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ummm, wrote: An article in todays IT suggests the two AN Other spots will go to Leinster players.

utter rubbish, if it does it will mean two players not needed for the Pro12 final. Whoever they are how they can be surplus to requirements to Leinster but needed for international duty is ridiculous.


Conway and Ruddock or Ryan.

Love the way Duffy is too old, no point in bringing him as we need to invest in the future, while blatently past it/never had it older players like O'Callaghan and Wallace walk into the squad


Lest not forget Mick O'Driscoll, and what about all the full strength selections back in the O'Sullivan era for the likes of Georgia/Fiji/Canada/Romania...etc when Gav and other young players should have been getting caps and developing at International level...

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13 years 11 months ago #7753 by salmson
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ummm, wrote: An article in todays IT suggests the two AN Other spots will go to Leinster players.

utter rubbish, if it does it will mean two players not needed for the Pro12 final. Whoever they are how they can be surplus to requirements to Leinster but needed for international duty is ridiculous.


Conway and Ruddock or Ryan.

Love the way Duffy is too old, no point in bringing him as we need to invest in the future, while blatently past it/never had it older players like O'Callaghan and Wallace walk into the squad.

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13 years 11 months ago #7752 by ummm,
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An article in todays IT suggests the two AN Other spots will go to Leinster players.

utter rubbish, if it does it will mean two players not needed for the Pro12 final. Whoever they are how they can be surplus to requirements to Leinster but needed for international duty is ridiculous.

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13 years 11 months ago #7751 by connachtexile
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Good point. Its like I said before Kidney seems to have a set against some players or just doesn't rate them. Felix Jones while a good player gets injured every other week but gets called up at every available opportunity while Duffy who has stayed injury free and played nearly every game is always left out. Downey while not the attacking treat that Darcy is. Is an amazing defender and with the likes of Nonu soon to be barreling down the centre of the pitch at us having a strong guy like him there would make a lot of sense. Wilson never gets a look in either. As for Macca having a guy who can play 4,5 and 8 surely makes alot of sense to bring just for his versatility? Even if they played him at 8 they'd get a 3rd line-out jumper.
Kidney has a year left on his contract which means he wants another year so he's playing it safe. He also to my mind still has an innate Munster bias which is sickening. A few years that was fine Munster were the top team but the last 2 seasons between retirements and injuries most of those players left are shadows of themselves.

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