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Connacht Signing Announcments - 2012-13

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13 years 11 months ago #7419 by RogueXV
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It certainly works from a Connacht point of view. They can't afford 4 outhalves on the books when they could use some help in other areas especially them being in the HEC again. With Parks coming in and the emergence of Nikora over the past 2 months IMO NOC becomes expendable. If this is an opportunity for Connacht to free up some salary I'd say to go ahead with it.

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13 years 11 months ago #7418 by Porterbelly
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Ulster are getting Gareth Steenson from Exeter I think

Either him or Gareth Ansombe, the new coach's son

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13 years 11 months ago #7415 by salmson
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Humphreys has signed for London Irish. that drastic enough for you? ;)

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13 years 11 months ago #7411 by ConnachtCows
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Niall O'Connor has confirmed on a couple of occasions that he'll definitely be in Galway next season.
UNless something drastic has happened, I see nothing in that rumor

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13 years 11 months ago #7407 by connachtexile
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I see that Brian Murphy won the Senior Club Player of the Year Award. There were rumours that he was going to sign for us. Any up-date on this?

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13 years 11 months ago #7404 by ummm,
That's not the only rumour, it's on a few boards as well. The guy I retweeted is a mate, he usually has good info.

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13 years 11 months ago #7403 by swift4prez
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just seen you retweet that on twitter. only posted by a supporter of ulster as far as i know. my guess is its just taking the piss. 4 out half is big but we needed all 3 this season when 1 or 2 where injured at same time

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13 years 11 months ago #7401 by ummm,
There might be absolutely nothing in this, but after the announcement that iHumph is off to get slow balls thrown to his knees at the Not Nots, there are now rumours that NOC will be moving back to Ulster.

We do have 4 out-halves, could there be something in this?

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13 years 11 months ago #7311 by connachtexile
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sligsup wrote

I dont pretend to be any genius on the art of scrummaging but if borlase comes in it would mean we would have white loughs and borlase for th. Lh then we would have Wilko , Buckley, Bheadhlam. Now imo Dave aint going to cut the mustard at th so the logical thing would be to try and mould him in as a lh and give him a chance to prove his worth when the guys are on tour all things being equal they are brought. And if he began to scrummage well at lh , the knock on effects would be profound for the rest of his game.


i think that's the general consensus. Ah You is decent around the park but its at the scrum were the prop earns his crust.

Interestingly the Baba's vs Ireland game is a few days after the H Cup Final you'd have to think none of the Leinster or Ulster boys are gonna be picked for it meaning a few Connacht guys have a chance to show what there capable of and maybe book a flight to NZ.

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13 years 11 months ago #7310 by FACECUTTR
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I just hope they sign Henry.
Would Servat like a years holiday in Galway lol !!!!!

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13 years 11 months ago #7308 by sligsup
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I dont pretend to be any genius on the art of scrummaging but if borlase comes in it would mean we would have white loughs and borlase for th. Lh then we would have Wilko , Buckley, Bheadhlam. Now imo Dave aint going to cut the mustard at th so the logical thing would be to try and mould him in as a lh and give him a chance to prove his worth when the guys are on tour all things being equal they are brought. And if he began to scrummage well at lh , the knock on effects would be profound for the rest of his game.

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13 years 11 months ago #7306 by rossie
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thats a very informative article sea point, i just wonder how recent it is.

the reason for that question is that when they changed the engagement rules to the ridiculous crouch, touch, pause,sometimes pause a bit longer, engage this put the Huge Tight Heads at a big disadvantage. It has to be extremely tough for someone like Buckley at 6 5 and 21st to stay at 90 deg angle waiting for ref to give engage call. all his strength must go into just keeping himself upright as these players will all be extremely top heavy. The same applies to Dave who at 130kg must struggle to keep himself from tipping over. They then have to take on the LH and hooker while coming from a position where they must be struggling to maintain balance.
Pre these new rules they could make their Huge physique count at engagement but it now works against them. There are of course exceptions but by and large 6ft 5 + tight heads have struggled under the new rules.
This is why the french now prefer their Ths to be smaller in height than in previous times.

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13 years 11 months ago #7303 by sea_point
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rossie wrote: On the matter or props, the French and english who both know a bit about scrummaging prefer a th of around 6ft and they tend to play the bigger man on the loosehead side. we in ireland tend to have gone the other way and it hasnt worked out too well for us.The train of thought is a more compact th has a better chance of getting under the loosehead at engagement and can push up and in on the hooker causing him to pop up and force the peno. The Bigger Loosehead and Hooker will ganng up on opposite Th and try to push him up or down looking for the peno.
The prominent lhs in Aviva off the top of my head are Huge men both in height and weight, men like sheridan and Tongawia(apologise for spelling). I think that both dave and Maguire are both ideal candidates for conversion and its generally considered easier to change to loosehead than the other way.
I personally would recommend Dave for conversion as i agree with Connacht exile that he wont make it as a tight head but he has ability. He needs to loose some weight and get fitter but there is Pace and power there but he doesnt have the necessery amount of skullduggery in his Persona to survive at th at scrum time.
If he managed the switch that would leave Wilko sharing LH with Dave and Buckley backing up, Loughney sharing TH with White and Maguire backing up(although Maguire mite want to consider converting longterm) so any signing should be capable of covering both sides.
A hooker and centre are higher priority though.


Certainly this article backs that up. For TH you don't just need to be big, but aggressive with it. The ones that succeed have a bit of dog about them, something that the likes of Buckley & Maguire while being massive men badly lack.


The typical tight-head prop

The tight-head is stronger, a better scrummager and likely to be the bigger of the two props. He is the cornerstone of the front row and the scrum. He must take pride in this role first and foremost, and be prepared to confront the opposition.

The tight-head should be the more technical player, especially since he is up against two players, not one.

The typical loose-head prop

The loose-head usually prefers to play a more open game than the tight-head. They tend to be more aggressive and likely to want to disrupt the opposition. "[Loose-heads] like a chance to be a pain in the [neck]", says Rob Ambler, hooker, Cranleigh Rugby Club.

Because they are only engaging the other pack with one shoulder, a loose-head prop is better able to "aggravate" the opposing tight-head. Put simply, they have more freedom to change angles and use their free arm disruptively.

So why is Carl Hayman a tight-head and Andrew Sheridan a loose-head?

The following is a comparison of two of the biggest props around. They have similar physical characteristics, but play in opposing positions. Why is that?

The former All Black tight-head, Carl Hayman, stands 1.93m (6' 3") tall, and weighs about 115kg. He is widely regarded as one of the world's best scrummagers. Not only physically enormous, Hayman is also technical strong and so fufills the main criteria for a tight-head prop.

Andrew Sheridan plays for England and was part of the British Lions squad that toured New Zealand in 2005. Like Hayman, Sheridan is huge and powerful. He is 1.96m (6' 5") tall, weighs in at 130kg, and can bench press two and half times his body weight. Consequently, one might think that Sheridan has the physical characteristics of a tight-head.

However, Sheridan only converted to the front row relatively recently, and so plays on the less technical loose-head side. In addition, he contributes well in open play, so playing loose-head gives him more flexibility out of the scrum.

With more experience, he may be a tight-head for the future. As Andrew Millward of the Ospreys says, "Most props, if they are going to change, will start on the loose-head side and then move to tight-head."

The pros and cons of specialising


Specialising

It is good to specialise because you can perfect your art. If a player is faced with a different prop each week, they will, over time, encounter similar situations, learn what to do, and then immediately be able to react. Each role suits certain body shapes and types of mind. Some players just prefer to play only one side because they want to be a certain type of player.

Darren Garforth, formerly of Leicester and England: "Tight-head is a completely different position. I couldn't play at loose-head. Tight-head is a more confrontational position where you have to be strong to stay square, whereas loose-head involves agility and getting into gaps."

(Quoted on Leicester Tigers website: www.tigers.co.uk .)

Playing either role

A prop who can play either role provides the team with flexibility. He can either "step across" if there is an injury to the other prop and the substitute is too inexperienced to play in the injured prop's position, or play as a replacement for either prop.

If one prop is under enormous pressure, or weaker than the other prop, then they can be given a break in the game by swapping sides at some of the scrums. It can be useful when one of the props is visibly tiring as well, or to simply surprise or disrupt the opposition.

The most capped prop in the world, Jason Leonard (the former England and British Lions player), highlights two advantages of playing both tight-head and loose-head. First, Leonard earned his early Lions appearances from his ability to play out of position. This flexibility gives props more game time because they can compete for two places.

Second, though he had to change his technique, Leonard understood what the opposition prop least wanted to face, because he knew what it was like to play there.

However, Leonard considers that whilst players can play both roles, they shouldn't flit between the two. They need "long enough to get used to it [playing each position]" to play well.

The real struggle comes when the player becomes tired and loses concentration. As Leonard says, "The positions are very different and demand opposite body angle and the use of different muscles."

www.betterrugbycoaching.com/Article-491-...s-Role-of-the-props#

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13 years 11 months ago #7301 by rossie
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On the matter or props, the French and english who both know a bit about scrummaging prefer a th of around 6ft and they tend to play the bigger man on the loosehead side. we in ireland tend to have gone the other way and it hasnt worked out too well for us.The train of thought is a more compact th has a better chance of getting under the loosehead at engagement and can push up and in on the hooker causing him to pop up and force the peno. The Bigger Loosehead and Hooker will ganng up on opposite Th and try to push him up or down looking for the peno.
The prominent lhs in Aviva off the top of my head are Huge men both in height and weight, men like sheridan and Tongawia(apologise for spelling). I think that both dave and Maguire are both ideal candidates for conversion and its generally considered easier to change to loosehead than the other way.
I personally would recommend Dave for conversion as i agree with Connacht exile that he wont make it as a tight head but he has ability. He needs to loose some weight and get fitter but there is Pace and power there but he doesnt have the necessery amount of skullduggery in his Persona to survive at th at scrum time.
If he managed the switch that would leave Wilko sharing LH with Dave and Buckley backing up, Loughney sharing TH with White and Maguire backing up(although Maguire mite want to consider converting longterm) so any signing should be capable of covering both sides.
A hooker and centre are higher priority though.
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13 years 11 months ago - 13 years 11 months ago #7300 by connachta
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I've made a little investigation about Irish hookers and centres playing in chiampionship, 2nd division in England.. As a centre there's bredan Burke, seems very impressive on the video, but re-sign a one year contract, we've to think about him next year, not having too many regrets 'cause he's more a 13 and we need a 12!

As a hooker, Kevin Corrigan, who played with Quins 2 years ago, and David Mac Gregor, 21 years old, ex Ulster academy and Ireland U20. And above all Jason Harris-Wright, 24, played HCup matches with Leinster, 2nd choice in Bristol, hasn't re-sign yet, could be very interested if his club don't manage to win semi final and final of the play off!
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13 years 11 months ago #7299 by connachtexile
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Agree with Ah You been a LH cause he's no TH imo.

Maguire is leaving afaik


There's been hints and whispers dropped about this. Does anyone know why? Is it injury or lack or opportunity?

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