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9 years 1 month ago #53413 by dobby
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Any news on autumn internationals this year. Who might we be playing?

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9 years 1 month ago #53412 by phatguerilla
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Based on recent performance I can't see there being as many Irish lions as the last two tours, but even so hopefully Joe will rest his first choice players and use the tour to give guys like Marmion more game time and will likely cap a lot of players who have recently become IQ. Will be interesting to see if Joe will convince Bundee to declare for Ireland this year, even though its a short quote in this article it sounds like he has a number of options to weigh up:

www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/connacht-...reland-35342777.html

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9 years 1 month ago #53411 by Mark Mostyn
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connachta wrote: I do hope Buckley/Masterson/Heenan will do very well until the end of the season.
The Irish tour to USA/Japan (with in addition the unavailability of Irish Lions), may be a unique chance to get the cap they deserve and haven't got because of unusal level of competition in their positions.


Even with the lions tour Masterson and Heenan will be competing with JVdF, Leavy, O'Donnell, Murphy, Reidy, O'Donoghue, Conan. I will go crazy if Buckley doesn't travel. Think he, Bealham, Dillane, Roux, O'Brien, Marmion, Blade/Cooney, Kelleher and O'Halloran all have good chances of travelling.

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #53410 by connachta
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I do hope Buckley/Masterson/Heenan will do very well until the end of the season.
The Irish tour to USA/Japan (with in addition the unavailability of Irish Lions), may be a unique chance to get the cap they deserve and haven't got because of unusal level of competition in their positions.
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9 years 1 month ago #53409 by dobby
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Siob wrote: It doesn't seem to be knocking Kieran's confidence like it used to though, when he was finally allowed on the pitch yesterday, he played as if the plan was to keep ball in hand, not the kick chase we see so often from Ireland. Doing that may well have been slightly against orders, but it proved that he is international standard, but just a different player to Murray. The biggest criticism he gets after playing for Ireland is about his box-kicking, not part of Kieran's natural game, but one of Connor's strengths, he didn't kick yesterday and has people talking about his crisp passing.

From the outside, it seems that Schmidt decides on a game plan, then looks at who to select, instead of looking at what the available players are best at, then developing a game plan. Alternatively, he doesn't believe that the players available to him are god enough to play a running game, so he's sticking with the kick-chase and tackle, tackle, tackle. There are always some nice, well choreographed plays off set piece, but that actually ties in with not believing in the player's ability, if you don't trust their skills and brains to play what's in front of them, give them as many practiced moves as possibly, that way the training will mitigate the deficiency in playing ability. I hope he's just stubborn about his chosen game-plan, if he doesn't believe the players are good enough for a higher skill level game/more autonomy and freedom to react as they see fit, there's no hope of a change.

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9 years 1 month ago #53400 by Siob
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It doesn't seem to be knocking Kieran's confidence like it used to though, when he was finally allowed on the pitch yesterday, he played as if the plan was to keep ball in hand, not the kick chase we see so often from Ireland. Doing that may well have been slightly against orders, but it proved that he is international standard, but just a different player to Murray. The biggest criticism he gets after playing for Ireland is about his box-kicking, not part of Kieran's natural game, but one of Connor's strengths, he didn't kick yesterday and has people talking about his crisp passing.

From the outside, it seems that Schmidt decides on a game plan, then looks at who to select, instead of looking at what the available players are best at, then developing a game plan. Alternatively, he doesn't believe that the players available to him are god enough to play a running game, so he's sticking with the kick-chase and tackle, tackle, tackle. There are always some nice, well choreographed plays off set piece, but that actually ties in with not believing in the player's ability, if you don't trust their skills and brains to play what's in front of them, give them as many practiced moves as possibly, that way the training will mitigate the deficiency in playing ability. I hope he's just stubborn about his chosen game-plan, if he doesn't believe the players are good enough for a higher skill level game/more autonomy and freedom to react as they see fit, there's no hope of a change.
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9 years 1 month ago #53399 by dobby
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I feel for Tiernan. But then I really feel for Kieran. There is injustice and then there is injustice. I think what Kieran has put up with can only be described as a form of mental abuse. And I really feel for his family who has to witness this abuse week on week.

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9 years 1 month ago #53397 by phatguerilla
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dobby wrote:

mahick wrote: conorolearysports.wordpress.com/2017/03/...n-marmion-a-history/

Think the selection of Bowe and the trust Joe shows in his bench (Marmion being a prime example) really shows where Joe is at. It doesn't bode well for our up and coming stars


Ireland have capped a lot of new players since 2015 but I think Joe has somewhat contradictory goals when capping new players. Firstly, he's happy to cap people like Diack and Ah You to ensure they are tied to Ireland, just in case there was every a small chance they would be available for anyone else I guess. Once capped unless they're a Payne or Stander level player they're easily set aside unless playing a second tier team. The bigger issue is that he doesn't seem to allow players any time to acclimatize to international rugby. Maybe he truly believes that the Champions Cup is international standard (maybe at knock out stage it can be), but if a player isn't immediately performing to the level he expects then they're out in the cold. In addition there's seemingly no acknowledgement that the provinces play differently to one another and to Ireland and some players roles at international level will be very different to their provincial role. Marmion is the obvious example here. I suppose he assumes that if players do not adapt enough as a result of his training sessions then there is not much chance they will conform to the game plan in a live game. All of this adds up to the fact that Joe will continue to cap lots of new players but he has a high attrition rate to the point that it is more difficult to get to your tenth cap than your first.

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9 years 1 month ago #53396 by dobby
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ThisYearWillBeDifferent wrote: Similar in the Indo.

www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/six-natio...hances-35521908.html


At least the media are starting to report the utter nonsense that is going on.

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9 years 1 month ago #53395 by RogueXV
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Schmidt's a good coach but he's got some blind spots. Thinking Murray at 50% is better than a fit raring to go Marmion is a great example of one. I don't know if they would have won had Keiran come on sooner since they have trouble scoring tries against any half way decent defense but I like their chances a lot better if he had come on in the first half.

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9 years 1 month ago #53394 by ThisYearWillBeDifferent
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9 years 1 month ago #53393 by dobby
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mahick wrote: conorolearysports.wordpress.com/2017/03/...n-marmion-a-history/

Think the selection of Bowe and the trust Joe shows in his bench (Marmion being a prime example) really shows where Joe is at. It doesn't bode well for our up and coming stars

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9 years 1 month ago #53392 by mahick
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9 years 1 month ago #53391 by Bazzo
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Thought Marmion did really well myself but dollars to donuts people will be pointing at him today and saying he's the reason we lost.

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9 years 1 month ago #53388 by connachta
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Sol_ie wrote:

eezipc wrote: It's so frustrating watching Ireland now.

R Kearney was very assured under the high ball in fairness, got caught out on defense once or twice, you'd wonder what TOH might be brought to things.


Earls was a disaster in defense too. TOH matches them in both attack and defense, now there's absolutely no reason for him to be out of the 23

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9 years 1 month ago #53385 by Sol_ie
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eezipc wrote: It's so frustrating watching Ireland now. You know once they get near the 5 metre line, they are not going to score.
Anyone else get annoyed with RTÉ? WhenMurray went off " the hill just got steeper". Screw you Nugent, I thought Marmion did great.


I muted the telly fur a few after that. Thought marmion was the only out and out positive from the night, he was quick, great passing and decision making. There was once or twice where he had a bit of space in front of him, if he was playing for us he might well have backed himself and attacked the gap.

Some great defensive moments from Ireland, but equally some very silly mistakes. Besides his two massive head scratch moments, Robbie had a good game.

R Kearney was very assured under the high ball in fairness, got caught out on defense once or twice, you'd wonder what TOH might be brought to things.

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