menacethedenis wrote: "Edinburgh have confirmed that four out-of-contract players will not be offered new deals at the end of the season. Centre James King, former Lion Andy Titterell and wing pair Mike Penn and Sep Visser are leaving Murrayfield, joining the already-confirmed exits of Allan Jacobsen, Netani Talei, Richie Rees and John Houston."

Anyone seen Tim Visser's brother Sep play?

Okay, but he only got a contract because of his brother, he's NIQ also (Dutch International)...

"Edinburgh have confirmed that four out-of-contract players will not be offered new deals at the end of the season. Centre James King, former Lion Andy Titterell and wing pair Mike Penn and Sep Visser are leaving Murrayfield, joining the already-confirmed exits of Allan Jacobsen, Netani Talei, Richie Rees and John Houston."

Anyone seen Tim Visser's brother Sep play?

We live in hope

Apparently he can play anywhere across the backrow but he is primarily a 7. To be frank he's to small to be a 6 or 8 at Rabo level. That said he's in the same position Faloon was in last year before moving to Connacht. Could lightning have struck twice?

rossie wrote: Is birch not a 6?

Nope - a 7 in recent years

Is birch not a 6?

Id go as far as saying that we need another specialist 7. Faloon was extremely important to team this season and has been missed esp with joc also injured. With joc retired its vital imo that another 7 is brought in to share load. Coneely may become that player in time but we need a proven player for september. We have 2 for 6 and 8. Problem is that iq 7s are as rare as iq ths. There is only 1 potentially available and thats gilsenan. He still represents some risk but has huge potential. Being a mullingar man as opposed to a d4 head galway may appeal .
Other possibility is that white being 1 yr off iq may be reclassified as a project freeing up a niq spot. Budget comes into play then and we may be forced to look in bargain bin for 1yr at least.

That's why I'm surprised we didn't make a serious bid for Ali Birch. I'm sure the branch are aware of this and someone will be coming in.

Id go as far as saying that we need another specialist 7. Faloon was extremely important to team this season and has been missed esp with joc also injured. With joc retired its vital imo that another 7 is brought in to share load. Coneely may become that player in time but we need a proven player for september. We have 2 for 6 and 8. Problem is that iq 7s are as rare as iq ths. There is only 1 potentially available and thats gilsenan. He still represents some risk but has huge potential. Being a mullingar man as opposed to a d4 head galway may appeal .
Other possibility is that white being 1 yr off iq may be reclassified as a project freeing up a niq spot. Budget comes into play then and we may be forced to look in bargain bin for 1yr at least.

We really need another backrower. I wonder if Lam or the Connacht branch have identified a IQ backrower from the premiership like they did with Muldowney?

I knew Mujati was heading off, didn't realise Tonga'uiha was off there too. Bah. Is Sinoti nailed on, then? We do seem to have more need elsewhere - plenty of backs with lots to prove next season, and hopefully a few more coming through from the academy too

rossie wrote: Hes off to france afaik as is mujati.

That was done 3 months ago

The Saints have announced the list of departures and there's nobody really worth taking

If Pat have used his Somoan origins and coaching past to make Sinoti come, it's good news overall. Look at this video, away match for Zebre, at 1:18:45 (62min 45sec of the match)
And 1:29:30 ( 72:25 of the match)

Hes off to france afaik as is mujati.

Lam did spend three weeks in the UK before coming west, so here's hoping he's already identified some talent to come over. I wouldn't complain if he raided his old club Saints for Tonga'uiha wouldn't be a bad start

While I'm happy Lam is taking over next year I hope this isn't a return to the days of averagely capable PI players filling our squad. Razor, George and to a lesser extent Henry have been great for us, but the rest.... meh.

Yea I do but I will wait till Friday afternoon when Nigel names his eagles squad. Some interest there.