pinky wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote: Trying reading my post properly before commenting on them.

Way too much to ask any reasonable reader.

Then may I suggest swapping out the ladybird books for something a little more advanced Pinky. But be careful, start small and work your way up to books without pictures.

pinky wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote: Trying reading my post properly before commenting on them.

Way too much to ask any reasonable reader.

Lucky for RoadRunnerR1 then there's not many of them about.

RoadRunnerR1 wrote: Trying reading my post properly before commenting on them.

Way too much to ask any reasonable reader.

RoadRunnerR1 wrote: Trying reading my post properly before commenting on them. At no stage through analogy or otherwise did I state or imply the Connacht Rugby were unfit for purpose. I do however believe that the Connacht PGB completely negligent and unfit for purpose. I like most people here am passionate about Connacht Rugby, otherwise I wouldn't be a ST holder all these years or a Clan member either. I don't expend valuable energy posting here because I'm looking to cause controversy or have nothing better to do, but because of my passion for the club and the province, I cannot stand idly by and say nothing while it's clearly being run aground.
If as you suggest, they were laying the groundwork to finding a replacement since before christmas, then why didn't they give him his six months notice and save money on the payout. That simply makes no sense, but it is the Connacht PGB we're dealing with here so you could well be right. It only took one bad season @ both Leinster and Munster before measures were taken to stop the rot. We've just gone through 2 disastrous seasons since the Pro12 win and I believe we've just sacked the potential cure in favour of continuing to live with the disease.
I really hope you're right and "they get it right this summer, and in six/eight month time this will all be forgotten" because god help us if you're wrong and the disease has had another season to run rampant.

To give KK six months notice they would need to have his replacement signed already, think it's the case that they have been looking for the last six months rather than have the ink dry on a contract for that time. Hopefully time put to good use, and we get a positive announcement soon.

The question now is who?

Talk of Kieran Crowley at Treviso, who I'd be happy enough with given his experience. But Treviso have made a decent amount of progress this season, so he may view it as a risk....

sea_point wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

sea_point wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Let's be clear we are not shareholders, we have no equity in Connacht Rugby. We are supporters.
And the PGB and non-voluntary roles within Connacht Rugby are recruited for and appointed with IRFU approval, not self appointed...

There are a bunch of people there who should be hanging their heads in shame at the way this has unfolded.
But any reactionary behaviour now is a waste of energy; and will just do more to divide further a relatively small body of people...

Willie et all will be under massive scrutiny now, and I'd suspect they are on one last chance to make this right...

It's safe to say that the majority of people who buy iphones, ipads, ect. have no equity in Apple. But if they suddenly stopped buying them because they found them unfit for purpose, then you can see where that would leave Apple. But like all businesses they're smart enough to keep their finger on the pulse of public opinion so it never gets to that point. The majority of the IRFU's revenue in generated from ticket sales firstly through home internationals and six nations but also through season ticket sales at provinces. So to say that we're wasting our time expressing our disgust and dismay at the way Connacht Rugby is being run because the IRFU will just keep on doing what they want anyway is frankly BullS**t. If you just keep quite and keep taking crap, then crap is all you'll ever get.

In terms of your analogy the reality is that Ticket Sales are not critical for the survival of Connacht (well not Connacht's ticket sales anyway).
And anyway quite a lot of STH's will already be signed up on Earlybird tickets. Yeah they could technically ask for refunds, but most will use common sense wait to see that the new coach announcement is before reacting by throwing away a much treasured Clan or Main Terrace space....

Connacht aren't unfit for purpose, and there is no need to think that we will be long term.
Fact is we don't know how long the groundwork for a replacement has been in play., though by the sounds of it; from before Christmas.

But in terms of recruitment the PGB has had one major hit with Lam, and one (near) miss with Keane so far (yep I do believe he could have turned things around).
So they warrant a bit of leeway to see if they can turn this around... lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater...
A huge organisation upheaval is not what is needed this summer, sorting the coaching ticket out is...

Look, you're entitled to be pissed off at the turn of events. In one way or another it's fair to say all of us are this season....
Am I disappointed for KK, you bet your ass I am. Do I wish I could turn things around, absolutely.
But I'm a Connacht supporter first and foremost, and they have and always will come first...
Fact is, if they get it right this summer, in six/eight month time this will all be forgotten...

Trying reading my post properly before commenting on them. At no stage through analogy or otherwise did I state or imply the Connacht Rugby were unfit for purpose. I do however believe that the Connacht PGB completely negligent and unfit for purpose. I like most people here am passionate about Connacht Rugby, otherwise I wouldn't be a ST holder all these years or a Clan member either. I don't expend valuable energy posting here because I'm looking to cause controversy or have nothing better to do, but because of my passion for the club and the province, I cannot stand idly by and say nothing while it's clearly being run aground.
If as you suggest, they were laying the groundwork to finding a replacement since before christmas, then why didn't they give him his six months notice and save money on the payout. That simply makes no sense, but it is the Connacht PGB we're dealing with here so you could well be right. It only took one bad season @ both Leinster and Munster before measures were taken to stop the rot. We've just gone through 2 disastrous seasons since the Pro12 win and I believe we've just sacked the potential cure in favour of continuing to live with the disease.
I really hope you're right and "they get it right this summer, and in six/eight month time this will all be forgotten" because god help us if you're wrong and the disease has had another season to run rampant.

RoadRunnerR1 wrote: It's safe to say that the majority of people who buy iphones, ipads, ect. have no equity in Apple. But if they suddenly stopped buying them because they found them unfit for purpose, then you can see where that would leave Apple. But like all businesses they're smart enough to keep their finger on the pulse of public opinion so it never gets to that point. The majority of the IRFU's revenue in generated from ticket sales firstly through home internationals and six nations but also through season ticket sales at provinces. So to say that we're wasting our time expressing our disgust and dismay at the way Connacht Rugby is being run because the IRFU will just keep on doing what they want anyway is frankly BullS**t. If you just keep quite and keep taking crap, then crap is all you'll ever get.

In terms of your analogy the reality is that Ticket Sales are not critical for the survival of Connacht (well not Connacht's ticket sales anyway).
And anyway quite a lot of STH's will already be signed up on Earlybird tickets. Yeah they could technically ask for refunds, but most will use common sense wait to see that the new coach announcement is before reacting by throwing away a much treasured Clan or Main Terrace space....

Connacht aren't unfit for purpose, and there is no need to think that we will be long term.
Fact is we don't know how long the groundwork for a replacement has been in play., though by the sounds of it; from before Christmas.

But in terms of recruitment the PGB has had one major hit with Lam, and one (near) miss with Keane so far (yep I do believe he could have turned things around).
So they warrant a bit of leeway to see if they can turn this around... lest we throw the baby out with the bathwater...
A huge organisation upheaval is not what is needed this summer, sorting the coaching ticket out is...

Look, you're entitled to be pissed off at the turn of events. In one way or another it's fair to say all of us are this season....
Am I disappointed for KK, you bet your ass I am. Do I wish I could turn things around, absolutely.
But I'm a Connacht supporter first and foremost, and they have and always will come first...
Fact is, if they get it right this summer, in six/eight month time this will all be forgotten...

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

sea_point wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Let's be clear we are not shareholders, we have no equity in Connacht Rugby. We are supporters.
And the PGB and non-voluntary roles within Connacht Rugby are recruited for and appointed with IRFU approval, not self appointed...

There are a bunch of people there who should be hanging their heads in shame at the way this has unfolded.
But any reactionary behaviour now is a waste of energy; and will just do more to divide further a relatively small body of people...

Willie et all will be under massive scrutiny now, and I'd suspect they are on one last chance to make this right...

It's safe to say that the majority of people who buy iphones, ipads, ect. have no equity in Apple. But if they suddenly stopped buying them because they found them unfit for purpose, then you can see where that would leave Apple. But like all businesses they're smart enough to keep their finger on the pulse of public opinion so it never gets to that point. The majority of the IRFU's revenue in generated from ticket sales firstly through home internationals and six nations but also through season ticket sales at provinces. So to say that we're wasting our time expressing our disgust and dismay at the way Connacht Rugby is being run because the IRFU will just keep on doing what they want anyway is frankly BullS**t. If you just keep quite and keep taking crap, then crap is all you'll ever get.

sea_point wrote:

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Let's be clear we are not shareholders, we have no equity in Connacht Rugby. We are supporters.
And the PGB and non-voluntary roles within Connacht Rugby are recruited for and appointed with IRFU approval, not self appointed...

There are a bunch of people there who should be hanging their heads in shame at the way this has unfolded.
But any reactionary behaviour now is a waste of energy; and will just do more to divide further a relatively small body of people...

Willie et all will be under massive scrutiny now, and I'd suspect they are on one last chance to make this right...

It's safe to say that the majority of people who buy iphones, ipads, ect. have no equity in Apple. But if they suddenly stopped buying them because they found them unfit for purpose, then you can see where that would leave Apple. But like all businesses they're smart enough to keep their finger on the pulse of public opinion so it never gets to that point. The majority of the IRFU's revenue in generated from ticket sales firstly through home internationals and six nations but also through season ticket sales at provinces. So to say that we're wasting our time expressing our disgust and dismay at the way Connacht Rugby is being run because the IRFU will just keep on doing what they want anyway is frankly BullS**t. If you just keep quite and keep taking crap, then crap is all you'll ever get.

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Let's be clear we are not shareholders, we have no equity in Connacht Rugby. We are supporters.
And the PGB and non-voluntary roles within Connacht Rugby are recruited for and appointed with IRFU approval, not self appointed...

There are a bunch of people there who should be hanging their heads in shame at the way this has unfolded.
But any reactionary behaviour now is a waste of energy; and will just do more to divide further a relatively small body of people...

Willie et all will be under massive scrutiny now, and I'd suspect they are on one last chance to make this right...

RoadRunnerR1 wrote:

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Glad to help

The main problem with this whole scenario is someone leaked the news before the exit deal was signed off. In an ideal world both sides keep quiet, sort out their exit package and then its the usual mutual consent blaa blaa blaa .........

So the media got the scent before the deal was signed, these thing take time to sort out esp if all the parties (solicitors etc) arent in the same room or maybe on the same continent ! So a simple agreement that needs a a few changes goes back and forth a few times and all of a sudden theres 10 days gone.

In the same way as any HR issue you dont open your mouth until its all signed and sealed. Its simply a slow process.

Its done now so hopefully we will have some news on the new manager in the near future.

Podge57 wrote: I honestly believe that there are contractual issues with KK that are contentious and as such Willie and Connacht Rugby(and IRFU) have been advised from a legal perspective not to comment - in the long term any public commentary may cost more money!

However I do agree that the way this has been handled is very poor and that any outstanding issues with KK should have been resolved by now.

? Is KK still in Galway or has he returned to NZ

In the interim suggest not wasting your energy on a rant as this matter will have to follow its own course and no amount of commentary on this forum or elsewhere will change that.

Thank's for clearing that up Podge. I mean here I was thinking the Clan were the official supporters club of Connacht Rugby. You know an official entity here to represent the interests of the people who pay their hard earned money week after week to Support Connacht Rugby and without whom the IRFU would have succeeded in killing off Connacht Rugby.
Effectively we're all shareholders in the club we all love and support so when we see it being run into the ground by the self appointed board members we should all just shut up and let them get on with it cause as you and a few others say "There's nothing we can do about it anyway". The IRFU made a big mistake with how they tried to kill Connacht Rugby back in 2002. All they needed to do was appoint a group of incompetent Narcissists to the Connacht PGB and let them do the job for them.

Bazzo wrote: Lads I'm not saying this had been handled particularly well or that Ruane is without fault but can we just think back to the CEO we had before him for some perspective...

You mean the one that hired Pat Lam? :evil: :whistle:

Lads I'm not saying this had been handled particularly well or that Ruane is without fault but can we just think back to the CEO we had before him for some perspective...

The analogy last week was that if the plane is in difficulty, you really need the pilot to focus on getting it down safely, no real reason to communicate to passengers, at best to calm them down, but it has no consequence to the job in hand.

Well the pilot has just communicated to us what we knew already...and we're still in trouble

salmson wrote: What day is it? It's take out the trash day!

(Though President Bartlett would be disappointed they didn't wait until 4pm)

If it was take out the trash day, then Willie and the rest of the jobs for the boys club would be on they're way to the tip now.