dobby wrote:

Mark Mostyn wrote:

dobby wrote:

connachta wrote: You'd say we won Championship mainly because of our expensive ball possession
BUT we conceeded only 16 points away to Ospreys, 12 to Munster, 13 to .Leinster.
Have we been able to do that again ? No ; Will we be in Play-off, away from home too? Hope so, that's a condition of success.

PS : I'm not talking about this strategy
www.the42.ie/ireland-scotland-analysis-3229116-Feb2017/
Just about not conceeding anytime the opposion comes into our 22

We played a great game of rugby last weekend, but you are right, we were walked through in the second half in particular. But even in the first half when we were the dominant team we were on the wrong end of the score sheet for much of the half. Open to opinions on what we did wrong. There was so much right in last weekends performance but obviously there is something wrong that escapes me.

Well for starters:

- Receiving contestable kickoffs.
- Accuracy in the opponent's 22.
- Aggression and positioning in defence.

That is somewhat vague. Can you specifically take your three points and identify the exact failures for all these points throughout the 80 minutes. I know that is a big ask but maybe it would help understand what in fact failed

I've already watched the game fully on YouTube I'm not going to watch it again. Off the top of my head:

- We conceded directly from a Glasgow kickoff in the first half, and looked completely at sea and turned over 3 Glasgow kickoffs in the second half.
- We frequently left their 22 empty handed. I'm not sure exactly when but at least twice in the second half. This has been happening all season, particularly against Wasps at home.
- I counted 5 times Glasgow sliced straight through us and ended up knocking the ball on, 3 times in the first half and twice in the first 5 minutes of the second.

That's as good as you're going to get from me I'm afraid

Mark Mostyn wrote:

Bazzo wrote:

Mark Mostyn wrote:

Bazzo wrote: Lads I couldn't see from where I was sitting so I'm hoping one of ye had a better view or it was apparent on TV but what the helle happened to the scrum? Our first choice front row were getting minced, and I don't think the Glasgow scrum is especially great.

It was fine until we took off McCartney and they brought on their whole sub front row and we got destroyed from then on

I'd have to watch it back to be sure because I had a few beers on board but I was definitely under the impression they had our scrum under pressure throughout the game.

I think it was ok up til that point.

Don't have time to go through the whole game but from what I remember the scrums were solid like the one at 16 minutes

Cheers for the link, I have no life so I've flicked through the first ~52 mins and unfortunately I think it confirms what I thought. There wasn't much scrummaging in the first half but on on our put in in the 30-40 min section we were marched backwards but got the ball away messily. Then in the period of 40-50 we were going backwards on our put in again, and in a second scrum won a free kick when Glasgow put the shove on before the ball was in but they were driving us back fairly handily again. Once more at 51' or so they marched us backwards on our put in but we managed to get it away messily again, and I stopped bothering to watch there. We had a couple fairly solid scrums scattered throughout but definitely a bad day at the office for our front row I'd say.

Mark Mostyn wrote:

dobby wrote:

connachta wrote: You'd say we won Championship mainly because of our expensive ball possession
BUT we conceeded only 16 points away to Ospreys, 12 to Munster, 13 to .Leinster.
Have we been able to do that again ? No ; Will we be in Play-off, away from home too? Hope so, that's a condition of success.

PS : I'm not talking about this strategy
www.the42.ie/ireland-scotland-analysis-3229116-Feb2017/
Just about not conceeding anytime the opposion comes into our 22

We played a great game of rugby last weekend, but you are right, we were walked through in the second half in particular. But even in the first half when we were the dominant team we were on the wrong end of the score sheet for much of the half. Open to opinions on what we did wrong. There was so much right in last weekends performance but obviously there is something wrong that escapes me.

Well for starters:

- Receiving contestable kickoffs.
- Accuracy in the opponent's 22.
- Aggression and positioning in defence.

That is somewhat vague. Can you specifically take your three points and identify the exact failures for all these points throughout the 80 minutes. I know that is a big ask but maybe it would help understand what in fact failed

dobby wrote:

connachta wrote: You'd say we won Championship mainly because of our expensive ball possession
BUT we conceeded only 16 points away to Ospreys, 12 to Munster, 13 to .Leinster.
Have we been able to do that again ? No ; Will we be in Play-off, away from home too? Hope so, that's a condition of success.

PS : I'm not talking about this strategy
www.the42.ie/ireland-scotland-analysis-3229116-Feb2017/
Just about not conceeding anytime the opposion comes into our 22

We played a great game of rugby last weekend, but you are right, we were walked through in the second half in particular. But even in the first half when we were the dominant team we were on the wrong end of the score sheet for much of the half. Open to opinions on what we did wrong. There was so much right in last weekends performance but obviously there is something wrong that escapes me.

Well for starters:

- Receiving contestable kickoffs.
- Accuracy in the opponent's 22.
- Aggression and positioning in defence.

Bazzo wrote:

Mark Mostyn wrote:

Bazzo wrote: Lads I couldn't see from where I was sitting so I'm hoping one of ye had a better view or it was apparent on TV but what the helle happened to the scrum? Our first choice front row were getting minced, and I don't think the Glasgow scrum is especially great.

It was fine until we took off McCartney and they brought on their whole sub front row and we got destroyed from then on

I'd have to watch it back to be sure because I had a few beers on board but I was definitely under the impression they had our scrum under pressure throughout the game.

I think it was ok up til that point.



Don't have time to go through the whole game but from what I remember the scrums were solid like the one at 16 minutes

Mark Mostyn wrote:

Bazzo wrote: Lads I couldn't see from where I was sitting so I'm hoping one of ye had a better view or it was apparent on TV but what the helle happened to the scrum? Our first choice front row were getting minced, and I don't think the Glasgow scrum is especially great.

It was fine until we took off McCartney and they brought on their whole sub front row and we got destroyed from then on

I'd have to watch it back to be sure because I had a few beers on board but I was definitely under the impression they had our scrum under pressure throughout the game.

connachta wrote: You'd say we won Championship mainly because of our expensive ball possession
BUT we conceeded only 16 points away to Ospreys, 12 to Munster, 13 to .Leinster.
Have we been able to do that again ? No ; Will we be in Play-off, away from home too? Hope so, that's a condition of success.

PS : I'm not talking about this strategy
www.the42.ie/ireland-scotland-analysis-3229116-Feb2017/
Just about not conceeding anytime the opposion comes into our 22

We played a great game of rugby last weekend, but you are right, we were walked through in the second half in particular. But even in the first half when we were the dominant team we were on the wrong end of the score sheet for much of the half. Open to opinions on what we did wrong. There was so much right in last weekends performance but obviously there is something wrong that escapes me.

You'd say we won Championship mainly because of our expensive ball possession
BUT we conceeded only 16 points away to Ospreys, 12 to Munster, 13 to .Leinster.
Have we been able to do that again ? No ; Will we be in Play-off, away from home too? Hope so, that's a condition of success.

PS : I'm not talking about this strategy
www.the42.ie/ireland-scotland-analysis-3229116-Feb2017/
Just about not conceeding anytime the opposion comes into our 22

Look we have to face the obvious.

I've made the promise to post this when I thought about it before half time, even if we were leading and attacking well, very well
We CAN'T win against big team defending that way.
Glasgow scored EVERY SINGLE TIME they came in our 22 (except at 81st minute because they kicked to touch). Simple as.

Bealham looked like he was limping when he went off, maybe due to the scrum going backwards, but if he was hurt before hand that's a big drop in power.

Bazzo wrote: Lads I couldn't see from where I was sitting so I'm hoping one of ye had a better view or it was apparent on TV but what the helle happened to the scrum? Our first choice front row were getting minced, and I don't think the Glasgow scrum is especially great.

It was fine until we took off McCartney and they brought on their whole sub front row and we got destroyed from then on

Lads I couldn't see from where I was sitting so I'm hoping one of ye had a better view or it was apparent on TV but what the helle happened to the scrum? Our first choice front row were getting minced, and I don't think the Glasgow scrum is especially great.

Attended this match. Made another video for YouTube and here it is.

salmson wrote: Tiernan's tightened up defensively but he got done for a try (Russell's) at the weekend too. Took two steps off right pillar at a ruck and Price went through the gap and got the offload away. That said he completely outplayed Hogg, and bar Price was the best back on the pitch.

All in all I thought Glasgow were more creative and better at finding gaps - off bugger all possession - than Connacht. Russell certainly made more mistakes than Carty (dumb-ass card asides) but he asked a lot more questions offensively.

Agreed. Glasgow is a great team to watch. Connacht is a great team to watch. It probably was the best game I have seen in absolute ages. Brown was so incredible. His offloads were so soft, they were fantastic to watch.

Tiernan's tightened up defensively but he got done for a try (Russell's) at the weekend too. Took two steps off right pillar at a ruck and Price went through the gap and got the offload away. That said he completely outplayed Hogg, and bar Price was the best back on the pitch.

All in all I thought Glasgow were more creative and better at finding gaps - off bugger all possession - than Connacht. Russell certainly made more mistakes than Carty (dumb-ass card asides) but he asked a lot more questions offensively.

salmson wrote: Not sure how you'd blame Adeolokun for the last try, the try he carries the can for is the first one, when he dropped Carty's perfect cross kick.

Lamont's try is 99% down to Dawai. Initially we're lined up with Niyi vs. Lamont & Dawai vs. the next man infield. Lamont makes an out-to-in run and the infield guy starts to loop around to the outside. Niyi checks to see whether Dawai is lining up Lamont or if he's tracking the outside run. Unfortunately Dawai does the worst possible thing (i.e. neither) and bites in on the ball carrier (Horne I think) leaving Niyi with two men to mark. Adeolokun is indeed caught "on two different feet". Maybe he could have hit Lamont on suspicion, but if he does that you can almost guarantee the ball goes out the back for a two-on-one. You're looking at a try or a penalty for a tackle off the ball. Either way the score's out past seven and it's game over.

Asides from the admittedly awful error for the first Glasgow try I thought Adeolokun had a fine game. He scored one, was denied another by a miracle tackle from Price, and would have had an assist if Ronaldson hadn't fumbled a fairly sympathetic offload in front of the posts.

I think Niyi struggled badly over the winter, but he's still our top try scorer on 7, ahead of O'Halloran and Kelleher (in fewer games) on 5. If you discount tries against the Italians (I tend to), it's Niyi on 6 (Glasgow, Scarlets, Edinburgh, Toulouse, Dragons, Glasgow again), Kelleher on 3, and the rest absolutely nowhere. So while I reckon Kelleher should come straight into the team once fit, I'd be putting him in ahead or Ili or Healy at left wing.

Tiernan, to my mind has performed well. His defensive play can be really awful at times. But these days he makes a decision and crashes the opponent. And I think that is a huge improvement in his game. And to be honest Salmson you have to hit the first man. What happens outside you is the responsibility of somebody else. So maybe Dawai failed in a challenge but Niyi compounded it (I hate the word exacerbate, it suggests a media person). I think Niyi is running himself into positions that Connacht players are not there to support