rossie wrote: Welsh Rugby correspondent simon thomas says that pro12 have confirmed that they are actively investigating Pat Lams interview comments and have sought all audio recordings of the interview. They will present the evidence to the pro12 disciplinary committee who decide on charges against Lam.

No doubt Pat will have his knuckles rapped. It's a pity the Pro12 aren't as quick to move on the inadequacies of some referees and match officials. It will be interesting to see what's done on that issue, there isn't a team in the league that hasn't been the victim of a dodgy call at some stage (though over the years Connacht has received more than our fair share) so it's long overdue.

"Formally charged with misconduct" I heard

Welsh Rugby correspondent simon thomas says that pro12 have confirmed that they are actively investigating Pat Lams interview comments and have sought all audio recordings of the interview. They will present the evidence to the pro12 disciplinary committee who decide on charges against Lam.

mary hinge wrote: You're wrong Rossie. Pat was dead right to call out Hodges on what was without ****libellous content removed**** You can be sure Hodges was under instruction to "help" the Scottish ref in his handling of the game.

The set up last Friday night stinks, and no amount of "respect for the officials" bulls**t hides that fact.

In the first half, Hodges intervened to award a try for Connacht when he was 2 metres away from an absolute blatant tackle in the air on the Cardiff full back.

What happenned here? Did he suddenly forget about his brown envelope, and go out of his way to tell the referee that he was wrong and he needed to award Connacht 5 points?

sea_point wrote:

mahick wrote: Hodges called a try for Connacht in the first half- went to tmo and was overruled. Declared penalty when ref already happy that game was over. Why did game continue?

The ref is the arbitrator of time on the pitch, but you had a rookie ref at this level being advised (incorrectly as it happens) by an experienced International referee running touch. I'd say nine out of ten rookie refs would have gone with Hodges call in the same scenario.....

Thanks Seapoint- trying to plant the idea that 'corruption' is not how I'd call it..

sea_point wrote:

salmson wrote: Boys, we could all do with cooling down here. I for one am still steaming after Friday.

Mary - I don't think what you said was libellous, but sarking the mods doesn't help your argument.

Seapoint/Mods - if you genuinely believe some of these comments are libellous, then please remove them immediately rather than issuing ultimatums.

Look the Moderators are neither your parents nor teachers and 99.9995% of the time we let things slide as most posters on here take an adult view when posting or reacting to others comments. We will always ask posters to correct their own postings in the first instance, except where gratuitously offensive...

With regards to libel let's all be clear...

Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession.

So despite what you seem to think It is entirely libelous to accuse someone of actions in their professional role that may damage their reputation which you do not know to be 100% true as in Mary's comment.

Posters need to be conscious of the validity of any accusations they make in writing and the potential consequences for themselves and this site...

Former Coach - I haven't publicly disagreed with Lam's actions here or anywhere. I can understand his frustration at the performance of the officials in the last ten minutes. But I would question his judgement in publicly detailing the incident involving Hodges at the Sportsground and suspect that will come back to hurt him more than anything. The footage of the ruck involving McCartney and the Cuthbert knockon is clear, Hodges made an error, but there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate calls that they deliberately cheated us..,

Pat was adamant in his interview that he was dealing in facts. He can substantiate the comment that Hodges made in Galway and calling into question his suitability to officiate subsequently in matches involving Connacht is not, in my humble opinion, unreasonable!

Do whatever it is you feel you need to do sea_point.

mahick wrote: Hodges called a try for Connacht in the first half- went to tmo and was overruled. Declared penalty when ref already happy that game was over. Why did game continue?

The ref is the arbitrator of time on the pitch, but you had a rookie ref at this level being advised (incorrectly as it happens) by an experienced International referee running touch. I'd say nine out of ten rookie refs would have gone with Hodges call in the same scenario.....

Hodges called a try for Connacht in the first half- went to tmo and was overruled. Declared penalty when ref already happy that game was over. Why did game continue?

salmson wrote: Boys, we could all do with cooling down here. I for one am still steaming after Friday.

Mary - I don't think what you said was libellous, but sarking the mods doesn't help your argument.

Seapoint/Mods - if you genuinely believe some of these comments are libellous, then please remove them immediately rather than issuing ultimatums.

Look the Moderators are neither your parents nor teachers and 99.9995% of the time we let things slide as most posters on here take an adult view when posting or reacting to others comments. We will always ask posters to correct their own postings in the first instance, except where gratuitously offensive...

With regards to libel let's all be clear...

Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession.

So despite what you seem to think It is entirely libelous to accuse someone of actions in their professional role that may damage their reputation which you do not know to be 100% true as in Mary's comment.

Posters need to be conscious of the validity of any accusations they make in writing and the potential consequences for themselves and this site...

Former Coach - I haven't publicly disagreed with Lam's actions here or anywhere. I can understand his frustration at the performance of the officials in the last ten minutes. But I would question his judgement in publicly detailing the incident involving Hodges at the Sportsground and suspect that will come back to hurt him more than anything. The footage of the ruck involving McCartney and the Cuthbert knockon is clear, Hodges made an error, but there is absolutely no evidence to substantiate calls that they deliberately cheated us..,

Pat Lam did that interview approximately 30 minutes after the match finished. Ergo it was not a 'heat of the moment' response. I think he was 100% right in calling the integrity of officials into question. If you don't agree, then tough but there's no point in trying to treat posters with genuine viewpoints like children!

Boys, we could all do with cooling down here. I for one am still steaming after Friday.

Mary - I don't think what you said was libellous, but sarking the mods doesn't help your argument.

Seapoint/Mods - if you genuinely believe some of these comments are libellous, then please remove them immediately rather than issuing ultimatums.

mary hinge wrote: That's what I admire about you Sea Point. Your sense of certainty. Sea Point says there was no corruption. Ergo, there wasn't. Good, that's all cleared up then.

Don't get in a snit with me because you're being pulled up about making comments about Hodges that you cannot substantiate and are clearly libellous. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that Hodges is or has done anything corrupt, being incompetent and arrogant is not the same thing at all.

Your comments make you a potential law suit candidate and also as a byproduct the Connacht Clan Forum for hosting these comments.

I'm going to give you 24 hours to remove them, and if they are not you will be banned for a period (to cool off) and the posts deleted!

Your choice...

Ger C wrote: Sea Point,

I agree re language so if I have offended please delete the post

Folks, ye should all be able to edit your own posts. Just hit the edit button.
If you think you have said something inappropriate, delete it yourself, rather than waiting for the mods to clean it up.

That's what I admire about you Sea Point. Your sense of certainty. Sea Point says there was no corruption. Ergo, there wasn't. Good, that's all cleared up then.

Sea Point,

I agree re language so if I have offended please delete the post