sea_point wrote: Connacht needs one, (like the Comer's or Pat McDonagh) to help us with the capital projects we need to proceed with (Stadium Development) and to assist with bringing in the occasional box office player....

It's a shame Pat McDonagh and SOB 1.0 are such good buddies

clan clover wrote:

pinky wrote: I don't think salmson is alone in not being close to getting what your point is clan clover.
I'm not sure what criticism of unrelated players and seemingly randomly chosen financial institutions adds to the conversation.

Pinky, I did not bring up Ross someone else did, have a pop at them. The so called random financial institution reference is in relation to Leinster using private money to top up players contracts something It was suggested we should look at and I suggested BOI. Marketing is a powerful tool no matter what size of market you are in(I should know ). Do Mazda sell more cars in Connacht then they do in Leinster of course not, but they sponsor us, why?. I picked BOI due to its association with the three other Irish teams and the fact they used to pump 100k/120k into Connacht as title sponsor small fraction of what they pump into the other three. It was only a suggestion , and nor it is a ludicrous suggestion.

But you completely mixed up the messages.

BOI are a sponsor (and in Connacht's instance quite a small net contributor, compared to what has been brought in since the reason they were ditched), they're not a benefactor/sugar daddy which is what Ulster [Rory McIlroy] /Munster [J. P. McManus] & Leinster [Denis O'Brien] have reportedly provided to the other provinces to help get deals over the line..

Connacht needs one, (like the Comer's or Pat McDonagh) to help us with the capital projects we need to proceed with (Stadium Development) and to assist with bringing in the occasional box office player....

salmson wrote:

borders5 wrote: Yes, the question is that the BOI should sponsor Connacht as they do the other three. Is there some reason why they do not?

We account for 8-9% of the population, an even smaller percentage of economic output, and turfed them out as title sponsors in favour of (the more generous) Mazda a few years ago. I wouldn't want to be the BOI marketing exec trying to argue the case for sponsoring Connacht.

thank you. I was not aware of the history and that it was Connacht that pulled out.

pinky wrote: I don't think salmson is alone in not being close to getting what your point is clan clover.
I'm not sure what criticism of unrelated players and seemingly randomly chosen financial institutions adds to the conversation.

Pinky, I did not bring up Ross someone else did, have a pop at them. The so called random financial institution reference is in relation to Leinster using private money to top up players contracts something It was suggested we should look at and I suggested BOI. Marketing is a powerful tool no matter what size of market you are in(I should know ). Do Mazda sell more cars in Connacht then they do in Leinster of course not, but they sponsor us, why?. I picked BOI due to its association with the three other Irish teams and the fact they used to pump 100k/120k into Connacht as title sponsor small fraction of what they pump into the other three. It was only a suggestion , and nor it is a ludicrous suggestion.

I don't think salmson is alone in not being close to getting what your point is clan clover.
I'm not sure what criticism of unrelated players and seemingly randomly chosen financial institutions adds to the conversation.

Put the cat among the pigeons and go after BT; they have lots of money and are trying to establish themselves in the Irish market. They might wish to go the ''get them with kindness' rather than the court case route. Seriously, I hope that Connacht explore all opportunities in the West and nationally. Further, I hope Pat Lam uses his address book to get a replacement for Henshaw at least (and others) as he is highly regarded.

salmson wrote:

clan clover wrote:
You missed my point, it is a way for them to get back in with Connacht on the shirts but also have the most marketable young sports person in the west as there PR Tool.

Not in the least. BOI are now free to use Henshaw as a marketing tool to 40% of the population as opposed to 8%. Furthermore Lifestyle Sports' Connacht title sponsor deal has another 2 seasons to run. The idea of BOI paying big bucks for Henshaw to get their logo on an arse pocket or left elbow (just about the only non-sponsored bits remaining on the kit) is simply ludicrous.

Edit: Arse of Connacht kit (base of shirt AND shorts) already sponsored, Ulster Bank already a minor sponsor, and as far as I can see from the website no evidence of any of the large med-science/IT multinationals having any relationship with Connacht at all.

You are totally missing the point, not even close to getting it.

clan clover wrote:
You missed my point, it is a way for them to get back in with Connacht on the shirts but also have the most marketable young sports person in the west as there PR Tool.

Not in the least. BOI are now free to use Henshaw as a marketing tool to 40% of the population as opposed to 8%. Furthermore Lifestyle Sports' Connacht title sponsor deal has another 2 seasons to run. The idea of BOI paying big bucks for Henshaw to get their logo on an arse pocket or left elbow (just about the only non-sponsored bits remaining on the kit) is simply ludicrous.

Edit: Arse of Connacht kit (base of shirt AND shorts) already sponsored, Ulster Bank already a minor sponsor, and as far as I can see from the website no evidence of any of the large med-science/IT multinationals having any relationship with Connacht at all.

salmson wrote:

borders5 wrote: Yes, the question is that the BOI should sponsor Connacht as they do the other three. Is there some reason why they do not?

We account for 8-9% of the population, an even smaller percentage of economic output, and turfed them out as title sponsors in favour of (the more generous) Mazda a few years ago. I wouldn't want to be the BOI marketing exec trying to argue the case for sponsoring Connacht.

You missed my point, it is a way for them to get back in with Connacht on the shirts but also have the most marketable young sports person in the west as there PR Tool. Yes we account for a small portion of the population, but we also have some of the biggest companies in the country located here in the west they all use banks plus so do Connacht rugby as Millions will flow through their account as well. I know Guinness sponsor the Pro 12, but it is crying out for some big name sponsor to get onto a shirt and drive a team or player forward. None of the current team title sponsors do at the moment, with maybe the exception in a small way by BOI.

borders5 wrote: Yes, the question is that the BOI should sponsor Connacht as they do the other three. Is there some reason why they do not?

We account for 8-9% of the population, an even smaller percentage of economic output, and turfed them out as title sponsors in favour of (the more generous) Mazda a few years ago. I wouldn't want to be the BOI marketing exec trying to argue the case for sponsoring Connacht.

Yes, the question is that the BOI should sponsor Connacht as they do the other three. Is there some reason why they do not?

clan clover wrote: I am surprised the Bank of Ireland did not jump in with a top up on the IRFU money as he would have been a huge PR machine for them in the West. They are a big part of every other team in Ireland and used to be a big part of ours too. Do they not have customers in the West of Ireland.

Why in the name of God would Bank of Ireland pay tuppence towards a player wearing the only provincial shirt their logo does not appear on?

I know we're (rightly) upset at Henshaw going to Leinster, but we need to steady on a bit.

You'd have to hope that Connacht will be getting something out of this deal......

If you look at the timing and the content of the announcements...

Sunday afternoon (wtf!): Connacht announce Robbie is leaving, don't know where he is going, very sad, the IRFU were amazing etc...

Monday: Leinster announce that they are signing, the now unattached, Robbie saving Irish Rugby from losing him to the grubby hands of the cash rich, no scruples clubs abroad. (even though he said he didn't want to go abroad)

Tuesday: Connacht release statement again. The IRFU were amazing, no stone unturned etc..

This could have been a lot different if Connacht had made no announcement on Sunday, Leinster announced they had signed him and anyone from Connacht had pointed out that Leinsters 8 centrally contracted "free" players probably cost more than connacht's 1st choice 15 if not 23 combined, implied that Leinster players, ex players/coaches had been grooming him for a while oh and btw how're munsters repayments on Thomond going etc.. etc..

You would have to imagine that Connacht were somehow sweetened with a we'll look after you if you play along kind of deal. We probably will never know what format that deal will take, be it more marketing budget or underwriting stadium development or lifetime passes to Halo, but you'd have to believe it exists.

It’s obv not the desired outcome and I'm not saying that Connacht fans shouldn't be f**ked off about the whole thing, 'cos we should, it's probably one of the weapons in negotiations that Connacht used. Remember our lowly 4-5K attendances at matches are probably 10-15% of all the irish rugby market, unloved and unwanted that we are.

yes, BOI do have customers in the West and maybe they should be reminded of it. I hope the new Marketing person that Connacht employ will look to get these on board. I also think that there are many others that maybe take for granted that the potential consumers in the West can be aggregated in with others.

jeez I hope to feck that roundabout does not make his way down here, there are not enough burger joints in Galway to feed Ross. As I mentioned before a going to be top class out half is what we need. I know people say Carty has done well, fair enough I have not seen anything to suggest he has done well or will do well. I just don't see where we are going to get someone to fill the need.
I am surprised the Bank of Ireland did not jump in with a top up on the IRFU money as he would have been a huge PR machine for them in the West. They are a big part of every other team in Ireland and used to be a big part of ours too. Do they not have customers in the West of Ireland.

salmson wrote:

dobby wrote: so we become a retirement home. lovely

Widely reported when Moore signed for Wasps that Ross was staying another year at Leinster, Leinster also stated that their list of renewals was only a partial one. Old news and not happening.

Thanks be to feck, can you imagine what this immobile water buffalo would do to our offensive line speed....
For me a TH has gotta be able to do more than just hold up a scrum...

www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/rugby-...leinster-382385.html

With Nagle and Robbie Henshaw the new recruits for next season, Cullen revealed 17 squad members had also signed IRFU contracts to take them into the future.

They include Ireland internationals Sean O’Brien, Mike Ross, Dave Kearney, Mike McCarthy, Jack McGrath, Rhys Ruddock, Tadhg Furlong, Michael Bent, skipper Isa Nacewa, and hot prospects Garry Ringrose and Josh van der Flier. Adam Byrne, Tom Daly, Peter Dooley, Cathal Marsh and Ross Molony are others whose progress has been rewarded.