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12 years 7 months ago #19163 by sea_point
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pinky wrote: <em>3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become full or junior members of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.</em>

I would suggest changing this to:

<em>3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become<strong> entitled to free full or junior membership </strong>of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.</em>

Couple of reasons:
1. Not sure of the legality of signing someone up to an organisation without their permission (though I doubt anyone would complain).
2. Since AFAIK the Branch don't supply the Clan with a list of STHs (correct me if I'm wrong), we end up in the situation where we don't even know the names of all our members.
3. It might be easier in the future to get people to supply contact details if it was a condition of their (free) membership. Actually registering might in some cases be a catalyst for greater involvement.


Pinky on point 1.

The OLSC was set up using the STH list provided by the Leinster branch, membership included as a feature of STH purchasing.

All you need to provide is provision to opt out.

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12 years 7 months ago #19161 by Sol_ie
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Pinky, sorry only after seeing this. Definitely something to think about for next year. I don't think we've ever had a situation where there's been a split vote or similar, but given how many people live abroad or have other commitments its definitely something we should implement. Note made for next year.

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12 years 7 months ago #19156 by pinky
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Also, sorry for throwing this in at the last minute but could we have something about provision being made to allow proxy voting at the AGM?
Really we should be able to vote on most things online in advance and just rubber stamp them at the AGM.
I have no idea how to phrase it though so we could leave it til next year.

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12 years 7 months ago #19155 by pinky
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Sol_ie wrote: All points are entirely true and spot on, and the draft Constitution has been amended accordingly, see Draft IV enclosed.

docs.google.com/file/d/0B82CnRxMZLTCb0Ey...d2c/edit?usp=sharing

I'll have some copies of the draft with me tomorrow if anyone wants to flick through it in hard-copy. Once it's officially passed we'll get a copy up somewhere on the site, I'd imagine.


Except now it doesn't say that membership is free for STHs.
I could see an amendment in the future where we might charge a small membership fee, but for now we should probably state that it's free.

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12 years 7 months ago #19151 by Sol_ie
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Sorry Pinky, only gotten a chance to come back to you on this.

pinky wrote: <em>3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become full or junior members of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.</em>

I would suggest changing this to:

<em>3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become<strong> entitled to free full or junior membership </strong>of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.</em>

Couple of reasons:
1. Not sure of the legality of signing someone up to an organisation without their permission (though I doubt anyone would complain).
2. Since AFAIK the Branch don't supply the Clan with a list of STHs (correct me if I'm wrong), we end up in the situation where we don't even know the names of all our members.
3. It might be easier in the future to get people to supply contact details if it was a condition of their (free) membership. Actually registering might in some cases be a catalyst for greater involvement.


All points are entirely true and spot on, and the draft Constitution has been amended accordingly, see Draft IV enclosed.

docs.google.com/file/d/0B82CnRxMZLTCb0Ey...d2c/edit?usp=sharing

I'll have some copies of the draft with me tomorrow if anyone wants to flick through it in hard-copy. Once it's officially passed we'll get a copy up somewhere on the site, I'd imagine.

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12 years 7 months ago #19084 by Diom
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Good points pinky...

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12 years 7 months ago #19078 by pinky
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3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become full or junior members of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.

I would suggest changing this to:

3.3 All Season Ticket Holders will automatically become entitled to free full or junior membership of the Club, depending on their age, for the membership year to which their season ticket relates.

Couple of reasons:
1. Not sure of the legality of signing someone up to an organisation without their permission (though I doubt anyone would complain).
2. Since AFAIK the Branch don't supply the Clan with a list of STHs (correct me if I'm wrong), we end up in the situation where we don't even know the names of all our members.
3. It might be easier in the future to get people to supply contact details if it was a condition of their (free) membership. Actually registering might in some cases be a catalyst for greater involvement.
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12 years 7 months ago #19074 by Sol_ie
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So, draft No. 3 enclosed here. Following additions/amendments made:

Salmons suggestion about minors added in.
Have reduced term for Committee Members from two years to one year (as we don't want to deter anyone from the Comittee due to the two year committment).
Some other formatting and spelling issues.

docs.google.com/file/d/0B82CnRxMZLTCS0RG...bms/edit?usp=sharing

Again, if anyone has any concerns etc. then please come back to me.

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12 years 7 months ago #18975 by Sol_ie
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Salmson, I'll add that it, google docs won't let me make changes on the fly for some reason.

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12 years 7 months ago #18971 by salmson
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Just a note on section 3.2 with reference to Junior clan members (this is a bit pedantic but from according to my better half and other friends involved with arts groups and sports clubs, better off stated explicitly).

If you have junior members who are entitled to participate in club events you want to avoid having to frame a child protection policy, which is more hassle and paperwork, and given the nature of clan events, in large part moot.

A neat way round this is to state that junior clan members participating in any clan event must be accompanied at all times by a parent or guardian (thereby making it clear that at no stage is the clan acting in loco parentis).
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12 years 7 months ago - 12 years 7 months ago #18968 by Sol_ie
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A few other concerns had been noted to me, so draft No. 2 of the constitution is being worked on at the moment.

I'd left the quorum low because traditionally where the quorum isn't reached, the only option is to adjourn or recess the meeting. We could always say that the a meeting of the Committee can progress in the presence of two or more people, but decisions are only held to be binding on the Clan when approved by a quorum of three or more?

EDIT: see new draft of Constitution enclosed. Quorum in respect of Committee meetings and AGM changed, I might draw your attention to that. Also notices for AGM paragraph changed, appendices for term of President and VP as they were not consistent. Added in paragraph about sub-committees (4.10)

docs.google.com/file/d/0B82CnRxMZLTCRzl0...cEU/edit?usp=sharing

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12 years 7 months ago #18963 by Diom
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4.1 - Maybe change to "up to" three addition OCMs? We might have trouble finding people.
5.6 - I think that 2 people having a quorum (can make binding decisions) is too few. I think that formally it should be 4 members of the committee, but practically it just means that two people making a decision should seek some wider approval.
I would also recommend that it be noted that the committee can invest a sub-group with decision making abilities on certain topics. This would allow a single person to be designated the responsibility of researching a particular issue and making the decision without further consultation.

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12 years 7 months ago - 12 years 7 months ago #18883 by Sol_ie
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Hi all

So, when the Clan was first set up a Constitution was drafted and approved by the Committee. Unfortunately, it appears to have been mislaid at some point and no-one on the Committee has a copy.

Anyway, I've attached a file which is adapted from the same source as the original Constitution, so should be fairly similar. It will be voted on at the upcoming AGM.

To be honest, it's not a massive deal and doesn't effect much (i.e. anything) on a day to day basis, but I'd like to be able to point to the specific document if it ever came to it.

Any problems, come back to me.

docs.google.com/file/d/0B82CnRxMZLTCZ3pR...V3c/edit?usp=sharing

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