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Was Michael Bradley right?
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12 years 7 months ago #19322
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Best topic ever.
Gut feeling: Jesus no, 10 tries against Scarlets?
Reality check: If we'd beaten Toulon, only a mediocre Cardiff side (who were getting spanked in the final until Jonny W got injured) stood between silverware and Connacht/Bradley qualifying for the HEC off our own bat.
Back to you with some numbers in a bit....
Gut feeling: Jesus no, 10 tries against Scarlets?
Reality check: If we'd beaten Toulon, only a mediocre Cardiff side (who were getting spanked in the final until Jonny W got injured) stood between silverware and Connacht/Bradley qualifying for the HEC off our own bat.
Back to you with some numbers in a bit....
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12 years 7 months ago #19316
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Its old news now but I couldn't disagree more also. I will never forget the humiliation I felt as a Connacht supporter most weeks at the time.
First of all the season that the main targeting of games was done was the season before Bradley's last season. We got a few good home wins (Munster and Leinster) but we also didn't win the targeted games anyway. I remember games we threw away against Scarlets, Cardiff and Ulster especially. I think we finished something like 13 points adrift at the bottom. I think we went something like 3 years without even picking up a bonus point away from home. We progressed to the quarter final of the Challenge Cup (when it was much easier to do so) by beating two very poor sides (Dax A and Rovigo) home and away. I think Corinthians would have come out of that group.
45-3 against Scarlets, 58-0 against Cardiff (46-0 at half time), 75-5 against London Irish, about 53-13 or something similar at Ravenhill. Absolutely laughable stuff and did untold damage to Connacht's image as well as squad morale I'd imagine as well as ruining the confidence of the squad players by sending them as lambs to the slaughter most weeks.
The only untargeted games I remember in Bradley's final season was away to Scarlets near the end of the season which was fair enough as we had 3 games in a week and the Challenge Cup S/F the following weekend and Munster away at Christmas which ended up going to waste as the Leinster game was frozen off a few days later.
Our squad has more depth now and we can make a few changes and still put out a decent squad. We must rotate at times but I want to see no return to the lambs to the slaughter policy adopted by Bradley.
First of all the season that the main targeting of games was done was the season before Bradley's last season. We got a few good home wins (Munster and Leinster) but we also didn't win the targeted games anyway. I remember games we threw away against Scarlets, Cardiff and Ulster especially. I think we finished something like 13 points adrift at the bottom. I think we went something like 3 years without even picking up a bonus point away from home. We progressed to the quarter final of the Challenge Cup (when it was much easier to do so) by beating two very poor sides (Dax A and Rovigo) home and away. I think Corinthians would have come out of that group.
45-3 against Scarlets, 58-0 against Cardiff (46-0 at half time), 75-5 against London Irish, about 53-13 or something similar at Ravenhill. Absolutely laughable stuff and did untold damage to Connacht's image as well as squad morale I'd imagine as well as ruining the confidence of the squad players by sending them as lambs to the slaughter most weeks.
The only untargeted games I remember in Bradley's final season was away to Scarlets near the end of the season which was fair enough as we had 3 games in a week and the Challenge Cup S/F the following weekend and Munster away at Christmas which ended up going to waste as the Leinster game was frozen off a few days later.
Our squad has more depth now and we can make a few changes and still put out a decent squad. We must rotate at times but I want to see no return to the lambs to the slaughter policy adopted by Bradley.
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12 years 7 months ago #19315
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I think key players should be rested away from home. Players like Dan, Marion, Carr, Robbie etc who are key players attack wise can be rotated when on road and games where they have greater chance of influencing cherry picked to attempt to maximise our return. Same can be said for jhw, white, Clarke or faloon.
That doesn't mean that players coming in on any weekend get a free pass on performance. The standard of effort and professionalism has to be maintained by all the squad. The so called A team have being guilty of failing to maintain those standards too often IMO on the road over the last couple of seasons IMO. What's diff between 30 or 60 pt loss attitude and commitment wise?
That doesn't mean that players coming in on any weekend get a free pass on performance. The standard of effort and professionalism has to be maintained by all the squad. The so called A team have being guilty of failing to maintain those standards too often IMO on the road over the last couple of seasons IMO. What's diff between 30 or 60 pt loss attitude and commitment wise?
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12 years 7 months ago #19313
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not sure about this, to me it seemed like we had to put too much effort into winning our homes games and that we had nothing left in the tank for the away games. Elwood's mantra was consistency and in a league format you cannot afford to be throwing games away like we did during Bradleys term and expect to improve the teams position in the league. Also there's no reason why we cannot pick up points away from home especially durng the November friendlies and six nations.
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12 years 7 months ago #19311
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Agree 100% with tomsauce2000.
Welcome to the board by the way!
Welcome to the board by the way!
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12 years 7 months ago #19309
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Replied by tomsauce2000 on topic Re: Was Michael Bradley right?
I couldn't disagree more. Bradley's policy was disastrous for Connacht. We used to go away and get hammered. I remember in particular an away game against the Ospreys a few years back. We got beaten 60-0. Ospreys had their 2nd team out on the night aswell. Admittedly, there were very few Connacht fans at the game but it was live on tv. How much damage do you think getting beaten as badly as that does for the reputation of the team? I think it's very damaging.
The French League is flawed in my view. This week teams are playing 3 times. It's impossible to put out your strongest team in those circumstances. The record of home teams v away teams shows a lack of true competitiveness in many matches and is nothing to aspire to.
Our finishing position in the league has improved largely due to our improved away record, picking up an odd win and picking up losing bonus points we never did under Bradley.
The French League is flawed in my view. This week teams are playing 3 times. It's impossible to put out your strongest team in those circumstances. The record of home teams v away teams shows a lack of true competitiveness in many matches and is nothing to aspire to.
Our finishing position in the league has improved largely due to our improved away record, picking up an odd win and picking up losing bonus points we never did under Bradley.
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12 years 7 months ago #19306
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I agree completely swifty. I've suggested tar getting home wins here in the past. It will be interesting to see if you get a similar response.
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12 years 7 months ago #19305
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Interesting point swifty
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12 years 7 months ago #19304
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Was Michael Bradley right? was created by swift4prez
bradley last year incharge, we went to the semi final of the amlin and only lost 3 home league games at home.
Our record that year is 9 wins, 1 draw, 4 lost. (munster, ospreys, ulster, toulon)
we went from 25 september to 18 april, nearly 7 MONTHS without a home loss!
i remember that season very well cause there was alot of buzz around the place cause most weekends we expected a win at home, crowds got bigger that year too.
Bradley had his faults, awful away loses in the league, but with only a handful of supporters at them games, the people spending the money at home games left happy!
So many on here have said we can field 2 strong teams this season, were nearly covered everywhere apart from 9, 10 and hooker!
My point is to play our best players at home, and rest them for away games.
bring back targeting games, they'd be: all home games, edinburgh away, cardiff away, zebre away and treviso away
we'd have a healthier squad, more players getting game time and more chance of picking up points!
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this game management can be seen clearly in france, every single weekend.
so far 4 rounds are played!
round 1
5 home wins
1 draw
1 away win (clermont bet biarritz)
round 2
6 home wins
1 away win (stade francais bet perpigan)
round 3
7 home wins
round 4
6 home wins
1 away win (montpellier bet bordeux)
overall:
28 games
24 home wins
1 draw
3 away wins
some of these results include:
Oyonnax 30 - 19 Clermont Auvergne
Bordeaux-Begles 21 - 20 Castres
Grenoble 28 - 26 Toulon
Oyonnax 24 - 22 Biarritz
Our record that year is 9 wins, 1 draw, 4 lost. (munster, ospreys, ulster, toulon)
we went from 25 september to 18 april, nearly 7 MONTHS without a home loss!
i remember that season very well cause there was alot of buzz around the place cause most weekends we expected a win at home, crowds got bigger that year too.
Bradley had his faults, awful away loses in the league, but with only a handful of supporters at them games, the people spending the money at home games left happy!
So many on here have said we can field 2 strong teams this season, were nearly covered everywhere apart from 9, 10 and hooker!
My point is to play our best players at home, and rest them for away games.
bring back targeting games, they'd be: all home games, edinburgh away, cardiff away, zebre away and treviso away
we'd have a healthier squad, more players getting game time and more chance of picking up points!
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this game management can be seen clearly in france, every single weekend.
so far 4 rounds are played!
round 1
5 home wins
1 draw
1 away win (clermont bet biarritz)
round 2
6 home wins
1 away win (stade francais bet perpigan)
round 3
7 home wins
round 4
6 home wins
1 away win (montpellier bet bordeux)
overall:
28 games
24 home wins
1 draw
3 away wins
some of these results include:
Oyonnax 30 - 19 Clermont Auvergne
Bordeaux-Begles 21 - 20 Castres
Grenoble 28 - 26 Toulon
Oyonnax 24 - 22 Biarritz
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