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9 years 1 day ago #54356 by swift4prez
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Gaffney and romaine are playing in New Zealand

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9 years 1 day ago #54354 by Mark Mostyn
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Prop

Saba Meuargia (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Jamie Dever (Year 3) - Started at 3 for Buccaneers, 1 try (AIL 1B).
Conan O'Donnell (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Conor Kyne (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Conor Kenny (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.

Hooker

Jack Dineen (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Pat O'Toole (Year 2) - Bench for Corinthians (AIL 2A).

Second row

Danny Qualter (Senior) - Started at 5 for Buccaneers.
Cian Romaine (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Peter Claffey (Year 1) - Started at 5 for Galwegians (AIL 1B).
Cillian Gallagher (Year 1) - Bench for Corinthians..

Back row

Rory Moloney (Senior) - Started at 7 for Buccaneers.
Eoghan Masterson (Senior) - Started at 8 for Galwegians.
Marc Kelly (Year 3) - Started at 6 for Galwegians.
Stephen McVeigh (Year 2) - Started at 6 for Buccaneers.

Scrum half

Conor McKeown (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Conor Lowndes (Year 2) - Bench for Galwegians.
Stephen Kerins (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.

Out half

Shane O'Leary (Senior) - Started at 13 for Buccaneers, 1 try & 1 con.

Centre

Rory Parata (Senior) - Started at 13 for Galwegians, 1 try.
Cormac Brennan (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.

Back 3

Ciaran Gaffney (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Ed O'Keefe (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Matthew Byrne (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.
Adam Leavy (Year 1) - Bench for Galwegians, 1 try.

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9 years 3 weeks ago - 9 years 3 weeks ago #53784 by dobby
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I would say the ship has currently cleared the outer docks, and is not long for the horizon...

Reminds me of lord of the rings. With samwise gamgee and tears in his eyes as he sees his beloved frodo departs to elven lands
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9 years 3 weeks ago - 9 years 3 weeks ago #53777 by sea_point
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EvoGeo wrote: Nice trip down memory lane re squad players from that team, quite a few have come through which is great to see.

community.connachtrugby.ie/connacht-u20-claim-inter-pro-title/

and a where are they now piece shows where some from the next years academy team have ended up

www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/four-prov...ung-talent-1.2507320


Back to the original post, is it too late for the likes of Layden and any of the other backs to come through now? I know you can see forwards come on in later 20's but most backs are established by mid 20's if they are going to make it no?


Not impossible but less likely to come from the AIL, 25 in September and really he should have gone abroad already if he's serious about a Pro career especially after losing two seasons to injury The distraction of the Ireland Sevens program won't have helped either ...

I would say the ship has currently cleared the outer docks, and is not long for the horizon...
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9 years 3 weeks ago #53759 by EvoGeo
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Nice trip down memory lane re squad players from that team, quite a few have come through which is great to see.

community.connachtrugby.ie/connacht-u20-claim-inter-pro-title/

and a where are they now piece shows where some from the next years academy team have ended up

www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/four-prov...ung-talent-1.2507320


Back to the original post, is it too late for the likes of Layden and any of the other backs to come through now? I know you can see forwards come on in later 20's but most backs are established by mid 20's if they are going to make it no?

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9 years 3 weeks ago #53758 by EvoGeo
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High praise for Layden here in a World Rugby Future faces article from none other than Mike Ruddock.

www.rugbyworld.com/news/future-faces-ben...d-shane-layden-21883

How many of the underage inter pro winning team have come through does anyone know?

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9 years 3 weeks ago #53757 by EvoGeo
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This Conroy fella looks interesting. I was just looking for a little more info on him and came across this article dairewalsh.com/?p=5409 and they mentioned Shane Layden.

Where is Shane now career wise? Has he any chance of making it as a Connacht player? He looked world class at Ireland U20 level.

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9 years 3 weeks ago #53755 by sea_point
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Mark Mostyn wrote: Prop

Ivan Soroka (Senior) - Came off the bench for Clontarf (AIL 1A).
Saba Meuargia (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Jamie Dever (Year 3) - Started at 1 for Buccaneers (AIL 1B).
Conan O'Donnell (Year 2) - Back in training after injury.
Conor Kyne (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Conor Kenny (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.

Hooker

Jack Dineen (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Pat O'Toole (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.

Second row

Danny Qualter (Senior) - Started at 4 for Buccaneers.
Cian Romaine (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Peter Claffey (Year 1) - Started at 5 for Galwegians (AIL 1B).
Cillian Gallagher (Year 1) - Injured.

Back row

James Connolly (Senior) - Started at 7 for Corinthians (AIL 2A).
Rory Moloney (Senior) - Started at 7 for Buccaneers.
Eoghan Masterson (Senior) - Started at 8 for Galwegians, 1 try.
Stephen McVeigh (Year 3) - Started at 6 for Buccaneers.
Marc Kelly (Year 3) - Started at 6 for Galwegians.

Scrum half

Conor McKeown (Year 3) - Started at 9 for Buccaneers.
Conor Lowndes (Year 3) - Came off the bench for Galwegians.
Stephen Kerins (Year 1) - Bench for Corinthians.

Out half

Shane O'Leary (Senior) - Came off the bench for Buccaneers.

Centre

Eoin Griffin (Senior) - Started at 13 for Buccaneers.
Rory Parata (Senior) - Started at 13 for Galwegians.
Cormac Brennan (Year 2) - Injured.

Back 3

Ciaran Gaffney (Year 3) - Started at 14 for Galwegians.

Jordan Conroy (22, has played for the Eagles) scored a hat-trick to bring him to 17 tries for the season. Buccaneers got promoted, it will be good to have a team in 1A again.

Does anyone know where Ed O'Keefe, Adam Leavy, and Matthew Byrne are playing their club rugby?


O'Keefe and Leavy play for Wegians, Byrne, assume he's still with Terenure in AIL.
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9 years 3 weeks ago - 9 years 3 weeks ago #53748 by Mark Mostyn
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Prop

Ivan Soroka (Senior) - Came off the bench for Clontarf (AIL 1A).
Saba Meuargia (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Jamie Dever (Year 3) - Started at 1 for Buccaneers (AIL 1B).
Conan O'Donnell (Year 2) - Back in training after injury.
Conor Kyne (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Conor Kenny (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.

Hooker

Jack Dineen (Year 3) - Didn't play this weekend.
Pat O'Toole (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.

Second row

Danny Qualter (Senior) - Started at 4 for Buccaneers.
Cian Romaine (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Peter Claffey (Year 1) - Started at 5 for Galwegians (AIL 1B).
Cillian Gallagher (Year 1) - Injured.

Back row

James Connolly (Senior) - Started at 7 for Corinthians (AIL 2A).
Rory Moloney (Senior) - Started at 7 for Buccaneers.
Eoghan Masterson (Senior) - Started at 8 for Galwegians, 1 try.
Marc Kelly (Year 3) - Started at 6 for Galwegians.
Stephen McVeigh (Year 2) - Started at 6 for Buccaneers.

Scrum half

Conor McKeown (Year 3) - Started at 9 for Buccaneers.
Conor Lowndes (Year 2) - Came off the bench for Galwegians.
Stephen Kerins (Year 1) - Bench for Corinthians.

Out half

Shane O'Leary (Senior) - Came off the bench for Buccaneers.

Centre

Eoin Griffin (Senior) - Started at 13 for Buccaneers.
Rory Parata (Senior) - Started at 13 for Galwegians.
Cormac Brennan (Year 2) - Injured.

Back 3

Ciaran Gaffney (Year 3) - Started at 14 for Galwegians.
Ed O'Keefe (Year 2) - Didn't play this weekend.
Matthew Byrne (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.
Adam Leavy (Year 1) - Didn't play this weekend.


Jordan Conroy (22, Buccs, has played for the Eagles and Ireland 7s) scored a hat-trick to bring him to 17 tries for the season. Buccaneers got promoted, it will be good to have a team in 1A again.
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9 years 4 weeks ago #53639 by Mark Mostyn
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No AIL last weekend and Saba didn't make the squad for Doncaster so nothing to report

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9 years 1 month ago - 9 years 1 month ago #53580 by EvoGeo
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@roadrunnerr1 interesting tactics but I wasn't aware we were about to go into battle. If we are then yeah might as well get as many on our side as possible. Why let semantics get in the way even if our situations are far from analogous :D
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9 years 1 month ago #53579 by RoadRunnerR1
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I don't disagree with you and believe me when I tell you I'm not expressing any sympathy for Ulster here. I'm simply trying to avoid seeing and talking about this situation from just a Connacht point of view and being labelled as someone with a chip on his shoulder. Also think if you do have to go into a fight alone against three opponents, it makes sense to try and convince one of the three that their interests are aligned with yours and to change sides. 2 v 2 is a lot better than 1 v 3.

"Champions aren’t made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill." Muhammad Ali

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9 years 1 month ago #53578 by EvoGeo
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@roadrunnerr1 my point was they are not badly off with funding despite IRFU so I wouldn't be feeling sorry for them.

They are doing extremely poorly at bringing through rugby talent considering the playing Base they have up there.

If they didn't have the kingspan sponsorship and state aid facilities you can be sure the irfu would not leave them hanging like they do Connacht. They are not even close to being in the same boat as us.

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9 years 1 month ago #53576 by RoadRunnerR1
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Ulster benefit greatly from private investment and the extra value of sterling compared to the Euro. Also the Kingspan was paid for by the English & Irish govts. as part of the cross border peace initiative. If they were solely dependent on IRFU funding then they wouldn't be much better off than Connacht and would probably still be playing at the old Ravenhill.

As a Connacht fan I really only care about Connacht rugby but it would be remiss of me to complain about the unfair treatment dished out to Connacht by the IRFU without also acknowledging that Ulster have also had their fair share of s**t to deal with. The whole Ruan Pienaar affair was I believe a correct decision but was turned into a farce when stacked up against Saili/Taute in Munster & Nacewa in Leinster. Also it's disgraceful that they were allowed/forced to sign a second Springbok backrow because neither Jack Conan or probably any other of the Leinster back row bench warmers could be convinced/forced to move north and take a real shot at an international career. Hardly in the best interests of the Irish national team.

"Champions aren’t made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill." Muhammad Ali
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9 years 1 month ago #53574 by EvoGeo
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Ulster are hardly suffering through neglect, they are awash with cash, top class facilities and top foreign signings.

Connacht have the whole establishment a scare and losing the cunster fans paying in to thomas is not helping munster either.

The aggrieved feeling is fully coming from the double standards between the treatment of Connacht and Munster.

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9 years 1 month ago #53572 by RoadRunnerR1
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=1 Connacht, Ulster 47
2 Munster 42 (+1 incoming)
3 Leinster 41

I'm not sure just what it is you're trying to show with this salmson but you've missed missed one very important point. As pointed out by EvoGeo, 28 out of Leinster's 41 senior pros are internationals and you can be sure that the wage bill for those 41 is far higher that Connacht's 47.

But when you look a little deeper and add in quality players from their star studded academy like Ross Byrne, Joey Carbery (Already Int.), Max Deegan, Hugo Keenan, Rory O'Loughlin, Andrew Porter & James Ryan to name but a few and the picture becomes a little clearer. These are all players that would be pushing for regular starting positions in Connacht & even Ulster if more was done by the IRFU to encourage them to move province in order to gain playing time & experience. But here again Leinster's interests are best served by keeping them in the academy longer thereby reducing the number of guys on senior contracts, leaving more money available to pay individual players more leading to an ability to sign top quality players and prevent their best players moving. Good as the Connacht academy is, they like most clubs in Europe are light years away from Leinster.

And please don't give me that old nugget about not being able to force players to move against their will. The IRFU control every aspect of professional rugby in Ireland. They utimately pay every players wages and decide if and when a player gets to achieve what's supposed to be the ultimate goal of every player i.e. to play for their national team so a little encouragement from Nucifora would go a long way in encouraging players to move provinces.

This in turn would free up the massive long jam of quality players in Leinster playing A game rugby or competing fo places on the bench while their internationals are away. But while this would be in the best interests of the Irish national team, it is contrary to the best interests of Leinster and given their huge conveyor belt from their schools system into their academy and the fact they provide the bulk of the players for the national team, they currently hold all of the power and are not afraid to use it to strengthen their position in any way they see fit. So young players are told it's in their best interests to stay in Leinster rather than move & players like Henshaw, McCarthy, Carr, Hagan ect. ect. are told they need to be playing for Leinster if the want to play for Ireland.

Yea I know they're all adults and the final decision rests with them but they're also young guys often blinded by international ambition and when you see guys like O'Halloran, Matt Healy, Adeolokun & Denis Buckley being constantly ignored by Ireland and even largely Marmion living off scraps for the most part and not even deemed to be as good as an injured Conor Murray against Wales, you can see how easily their heads can be turned.

Munster's academy seems to have largely been allowed to fall into disarray over the last few years and we all know about the huge €9 million debt to the IRFU the remains not only unpaid but without any prospect of being paid in the foreseeable future. Connacht on the other hand have gone from almost extinction to Pro12 champions, with an academy that's the envy of many much bigger and richer clubs and are producing many international class players available for selection to the Irish national team. This is all the more remarkable given the numbers of people playing rugby in comparison to Leinster & even Munster.

But in Connacht we loose our head coach, and regardless of the money offered by Bristol, the 6 month termination clause inserted into his contract by the IRFU (Meaning he effectively only ever had 6 months job security) meant it'd have been a no brainer for him to leave even if Bristol had only offered to match his current wages. I'm speculating now but I think it's fair to say Rassie & his team didn't come cheap to an already debt stricken Munster and given that he was recently able to resist overtures to return to SA as Springbok head coach, I'd be amazed if he had the same 6 month clause in his contract. Then add in their new €15 million centre of excellence in Limerick, the whole Saili/Taute affair, the fact that they're able to sign a player like Jean Kleyn (not yet capped at international but still didn't come cheap given his undoubted potential) while having a 58 cap Aus international lock as well as IQ players like Donnacha Ryan, Dave Foley, Billy Holland, Dave O'Callaghan, Darren O'Shea, John Madigan & Sean McCarthy available to them and now they're allowed to sign another springbok international lock who once again wouldn't have come cheap even on a 3 month contract. Any game he plays will be to the detriment on one of their IQ locks and once again it leaves a very bad taste in the mouth.

I fully accept that we can't realistically expect equal funding to the likes of Leinster given the fact that their monetary contribution to the IRFU is always going to be much higher than Connacht's through the much larger schools system feeding into their academy and the fact that their population & fan base is so much larger providing a far larger revenue stream. But if last year showed anything it was to prove what can be achieved with more funding and in turn a more professional support team. This year was an opportunity for the IRFU to push it even further, increasing their assistance (Not just extra funding but other aspects like access to the Leinster log jam) to help grow the game of rugby in Connacht thereby greatly increasing the player base here in the future. We can all see how much potential revenue is not being currently realised even from small things like a guy not being able to buy Connacht gear for his 2 year old. Small things you might say but they all add up & Leinster & Munster don't miss a trick in the commercial dept.

But instead the IRFU's entire focus this year seems to be on doing whatever it can to make Munster successful again so that the so called faithful will return to the monetary black hole that is Thomond park and Munster might then be able to repay the €9 million it owes to all of Irish rugby. Great for Munster, but not so great for Connacht & even Ulster whose best interests are cast aside in pursuit of this ridiculous exercise in throwing good money after bad.

"Champions aren’t made in gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill." Muhammad Ali
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