swift4prez wrote:

swift4prez wrote: UPDATED

AS THINGS STANDS

Connacht 9 points (9yellows)
Glasgow 10 points (10yellows)
Ulster 11 points (8yellows, 1red)
Leinster 13 points (13yellows)

THE £10,000 IS OURS. (if we dont get a yellow or worse in our next 3games)

GLASGOW NOW WITH A YELLOW. THEY ARE ON 11 POINTS

glasgow get another yellow. glasgow 12points......

Connacht 9 points (9yellows)
Ulster 11 points (8yellows, 1red)
Glasgow 12 points (12yellows)
Leinster 13 points (13yellows

swift4prez wrote: THE £10,000 IS OURS. (if we dont get a yellow or worse in our next 3games)

If I were Pat I would honestly tell them all do not get carded for anything on pain of death. I'm looking at you Murphy.

swift4prez wrote: UPDATED

AS THINGS STANDS

Connacht 9 points (9yellows)
Glasgow 10 points (10yellows)
Ulster 11 points (8yellows, 1red)
Leinster 13 points (13yellows)

THE £10,000 IS OURS. (if we dont get a yellow or worse in our next 3games)

GLASGOW NOW WITH A YELLOW. THEY ARE ON 11 POINTS

Leinster have a second yellow and ulster a red so far, hopefully we can avoid either

UPDATED

AS THINGS STANDS

Connacht 9 points (9yellows)
Glasgow 10 points (10yellows)
Ulster 11 points (8yellows, 1red)
Leinster 13 points (13yellows)

THE £10,000 IS OURS. (if we dont get a yellow or worse in our next 3games)

phatguerilla wrote: ...but the fact that the decision can be questioned on those terms is damaging for the league...

Yeah I said this before. It just shouldn't be a possibility.

Fwiw I don't think its definitively a stitch up but the fact that the decision can be questioned on those terms is damaging for the league. In addition you have to look at Nathan White's 3 match suspension and Ian Evans 12 week and imo what Copeland did was at least worth three weeks in comparison to those two. Its not like he got time reduced on previous good record so how can it be explained? The season is only two more games but that doesn't mean sentences can't carry over and if that was the reasoning by the committee it is incompetent.

I don't know that Schmidt would definitely bring Copeland but being able to allegedly play from 4 to 8 makes him excellent cover and could be used to cut down on squad size if necessary.

Also sentences can carry over into the next season so in this case at least the short ban definitely benefits Munster. A small amount of digging shows a Pat Barriscale is a barrister from a law firm in Limerick and George Spotswood was been employed by the IRFU from 1979 until 2005 and remains a part of their own disciplinary panel.

I know most of us here think it was a stitch up by the disciplinary committee but would Schmidt even pick Copeland for the senior tour?
Yes he brought him over for the A game (were he was one of the better players) but like I said before, his disciplinary record is dismal. With someone like Schmidt who essentially wants no penalties given away in any game I can't see Copeland who can be a penalty machine being brought to Argentina. It's nice that he has the option but Copeland could have really f*cked himself by getting another card and a red at that. Can't see Schmidt being too impressed with him. Copeland could find himself going to Georgia rather than Argentina after that incident.

Not sure if they took into consideration that one, Williams killed the ball first and two, he hadn't been injured sufficiently enough by the blow not to attempt to take matters into his own hands immediately after and eventually field the kick at the end of the play, but IMO they should not have. A stomp to the head like that is more reckless than what Payne did (the reason they likely up graded Williams' yellow to red) and deserves a harsher penalty.

econdly, the entire disciplinary committee was Irish, so the concern about an Irish stitch-up remains. It's not like we don't have previous (POC on Kearney, Jennings/Fogarty on Flavin, etc. and so on).

In that case definitely an Irish stitch-up! Like I said Copeland's record is not good. Someone told me he has 4 yellows and a red this season already which is terrible. Maybe if he pleaded guilty and said he didn't see he could have gotten less but it does seem way to little for a head stamp.

connachtexile wrote: Williams red was his second bookable offence of the game which is why he got a red. He was trying to slow ball down. Also Copeland as he plays for Cardiff would have been dealt with by the WRU not us. Also if you go on to the exiled players thread here you can see a video of the stamp. It was reckless rather than malicious so was on the low end of the scale. That said with Copeland's disciplinary record I'm surprised it wasn't more.

No, and no.

Firstly, Williams red was for a second yellow, but his citing was for one of the offences only i.e. the citing commissioner deemed one of the yellows worthy of a straight red.

Secondly, the entire disciplinary committee was Irish, so the concern about an Irish stitch-up remains. It's not like we don't have previous (POC on Kearney, Jennings/Fogarty on Flavin, etc. and so on).

The hearing was in Dublin and although they represent the league, the committee was all Irish, where Copeland plays doesn't come into it. I thought the stamp was pretty bad, he didn't get the right angle to do major damage but he went for it twice and it is to the head.

Perhaps there should be a separate minimum penalty for a stamp to the head as its obviously much more dangerous. Ian Evans got 12 weeks because he ripped McCarthy's face apart but in light of this hearing you wonder would he only have gotten 3-4 if the injury hadn't had been as bad?

I understand why Williams got his red in game, but the rabo link states that
'...the independent citing commissioner at the match cited Liam Williams for the dangerous tackle, in effect upgrading the yellow card to a red card.'

Maybe I phrased it badly but what I was trying to say is I didn't see the tackle but it must have been pretty bad considering this information.

Williams red was his second bookable offence of the game which is why he got a red. He was trying to slow ball down. Also Copeland as he plays for Cardiff would have been dealt with by the WRU not us. Also if you go on to the exiled players thread here you can see a video of the stamp. It was reckless rather than malicious so was on the low end of the scale. That said with Copeland's disciplinary record I'm surprised it wasn't more.

Copeland and Williams banned for two matches each.

www.rabodirectpro12.com/news/14835.php

Not impressed with that at all, a stamp especially to the head has to be punished with more than two weeks. I really hope this wasn't an Irish disciplinary committee making sure Copeland was available for the Irish tour if he was required. Didn't see Williams dangerous tackle but as the independent citing commissioner at the game upgraded it to a red card offense after the game it must have been pretty bad.

eta: will update thread later with fairplay league figures when rabo update their site. Blues had a citation already this season so should be on two but currently only shows one.

Though I expect props to get carded a little more often since they are the ones pinged after persistent scrum offenses.

RogueXV wrote:

swift4prez wrote: i wanted to know who got us the 7 yellows so i looked it up.

rodney vs cardiff away 13 sep
POD vs treviso away 4 oct
Locks vs leinster away 26 oct
KM vs leinster away 26 oct
mata vs glasgow home 2 november
F Murphy vs munster away 27 december

didnt white get a yellow for reacting to a tap on the back in some scrum? im missing someone.

interesting also that in the pro12, the team playing against us has recieved 7 yellow cards

Good to see there are no repeat offenders though oddly, at least to me, all three scrumhalves have contributed one card each. Quite a feat considering the amount of game time Murphy has had this season.

And Nathan white in munster match making it 3 tighthead also getting yellow cards