A lot of people seem to forget or gladly don't care that players family and friends stand in the clan and even come on here.

Being disappointed in something bad is completely acceptable and normal. But abuse to the point where some may feel uncomfortable being amongst fans is not.

The non stop booing throughout the game and after the final whistle by a large section of the crowd was embarrassing last night and has been for some time now.

As was the foul mouthed, uninformed, vitriol directed towards one particular Connacht player, a number of Munster players, and the officials, by more than a handful of people in my section of the clan.

"Part and parcel of the professional game". "I pay for my ticket so I can say what I like". It's never been part and parcel of rugby. And I wouldn't like to bring a kid to Sportsground if this keeps up.

Also, no one who has half a clue about rugby would single our only fit outhalf out for criticism last night. We really need an ignore function on here.

dobby wrote:

Conn Not 65 wrote: Bookies deal with reality. We deal and live in hope. I hope......

In ten years this is the first time i have ever bet against connacht. and its simply because the outcome is just a definite. so connacht players I ask you to prove me wrong. i will happily lose my money. i really have reached a point. examples, denis is nothing like denis of old, adeolokun is all over the shop. tiernan, niyi, matt don't even equate any more. we have no centre partnership, we have an outhalf that cant kick in any direction, we have a decimated team, and simply no confidence. harsh words. go and prove me wrong

So top to bottom here it is. The Denis that turned a ball over so often these days is hardly evident. The Tom that made those bludgeoning runs is hardly recognizable. The Finlay that made the Irish team deserves no spot on the Connacht team. The Ultan/Quinn/Andrew second row. Well lets be honest. Andrew Browne looks like no Aly Muldowney anytime soon. And Ultan just looks simply plain without him. And then Jake has not fired at all this year. John is very much John, a decent player, nothing more.

Kieran is a fantastic scrum half. Jack is. We have no centres and we have nobody that can fire our backline at all. And thats the analysis as per dobby.

**Anymore of that type of rubbish and you are heading for a long ban**
**This is your last Warning!!**
**Sea_point**

I truly apologize for that post to all clan folks. It was out of frustration. Seapoint, you are correct. I, or nobody else, is allowed to simply vent, and that was what I was doing. For that I am truly sorry.

connachta wrote: Clearly except a poor initial kick + one traditional silly restart, Carty has not much responsibilty tonight. Boshoff wouldn't have done better. And generally speaking all our injured players wouldn't, With the exception of Aki/Ronaldson, we were with our main 15. And still Robb did well. So it's not about injuries by themselves, it's about more confidence and gametime/training (as Pat said) for that team.
I do still think Cannon/Robb/Heenan/SOB/Parata are on the upper curve, fitting into very recently, and things could work much better in 3 weeks for Toulouse!
Best wishes

connachta, the point is simple. confidence. and I do not suggest this from a supporter perspective. you have a team all over the shop. and the primary confidence issue is? have a good new year. watching Robbie Williams on bbc at the moment. he is currently lifting my viewpoint. lets just go with it and have a good new year rather than debating this into the early hours

What about Jacks confidence in his forwards when he makes a great kick to touch im and then the forwards butcher it !!!

Apart from the scrum our basics were bad including tactical and kicking to touch from penalties Jack didn't make touch (as in many other games) a couple of times from penalties and kicked another 5 metres.
I've not bought into this argument before, I don't like being harsh on players, it's not nice to say it, but Jack's costing us, he is in a pivotal position and it has to affect other players confidence.
I'm sorry if it is harsh but I think it is a big problem.

Clearly except a poor initial kick + one traditional silly restart, Carty has not much responsibilty tonight. Boshoff wouldn't have done better. And generally speaking all our injured players wouldn't, With the exception of Aki/Ronaldson, we were with our main 15. And still Robb did well. So it's not about injuries by themselves, it's about more confidence and gametime/training (as Pat said) for that team.
I do still think Cannon/Robb/Heenan/SOB/Parata are on the upper curve, fitting into very recently, and things could work much better in 3 weeks for Toulouse!
Best wishes

opinions apart happy new year folks

Magpie wrote: Losing this game had absolutely nothing to do with Jack and everything to do with our inability to protect the ball in line-outs and in opponents 22.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. I see a team with confidence and then I see a team without. And I ask the question, what has been the change. Anyway good to know Jack was man of the match again

Healy dropping the ball on 76 minutes with Niyi unmarked inside him. Was the other side of the pitch and didn't realise how bad it was. Sickener.

dobby wrote:

Decadence wrote:

salmson wrote:

dobby wrote: Its very, very hard when you are consistently being let down by the same player. It simply just knocks the confidence of the team. And that is where its at

Change the record man. We know that whether Jack kicks two from six or cures cancer in a given game you just don't rate him, we get it. But at this point you're starting to sound kind of obsessive. #itsthepoor10sfault.

Absolutely. Jack was one of our better players tonight.

Well, in no reality could I agree with that statement. The point I am trying to make is the level of confidence. Its all great to support a team but if you don't have confidence in your 'match player' then the thing falls to bits. And no team captain can sort this out.

What about Jacks confidence in his forwards when he makes a great kick to touch im and then the forwards butcher it !!!

Decadence wrote:

salmson wrote:

dobby wrote: Its very, very hard when you are consistently being let down by the same player. It simply just knocks the confidence of the team. And that is where its at

Change the record man. We know that whether Jack kicks two from six or cures cancer in a given game you just don't rate him, we get it. But at this point you're starting to sound kind of obsessive. #itsthepoor10sfault.

Absolutely. Jack was one of our better players tonight.

Well, in no reality could I agree with that statement. The point I am trying to make is the level of confidence. Its all great to support a team but if you don't have confidence in your 'match player' then the thing falls to bits. And no team captain can sort this out.

Line outs seem to have become very sloppy but as a unit our scrum was superior and our pack on paper despite the injuries is better, jod apart. However the common theme is without a core central hub like last year to direct our actions Mcginty, Aki/Henshaw/Ronaldson (and muldowney in line out and as link up) we are not exploiting space intelligently anymore or at pace so we end up butchering the work of the pack and our decent wingers don't get any real space. For me we must have Boshoff, Ronaldson and aki on the pitch to have any chance of the backline firing properly, our back ups are not up to pro12 at present.
Perhaps a deal could be worked out for the former Ulster centre Arnold who can play 12/13, IRFU might see that in munster he could get stuck behind their own Scannell. I would also think if we could get young Mcphillips from up north with the promise of a number of games it would ease the problem as he may be able to fill in for both boshoff or ronaldson on a bad injury day. Basically our 10,12,13 axis can not function if we sustain injuries imo.

salmson wrote:

dobby wrote: Its very, very hard when you are consistently being let down by the same player. It simply just knocks the confidence of the team. And that is where its at

Change the record man. We know that whether Jack kicks two from six or cures cancer in a given game you just don't rate him, we get it. But at this point you're starting to sound kind of obsessive. #itsthepoor10sfault.

Absolutely. Jack was one of our better players tonight. Criticism is warranted at times, but there is a regular stream of bullsh*t flying out of certain mouths about him.

dobby wrote: Its very, very hard when you are consistently being let down by the same player. It simply just knocks the confidence of the team. And that is where its at

Change the record man. We know that whether Jack kicks two from six or cures cancer in a given game you just don't rate him, we get it. But at this point you're starting to sound kind of obsessive. #itsthepoor10sfault.

Its very, very hard when you are consistently being let down by the same player. It simply just knocks the confidence of the team. And that is where its at

Losing this game had absolutely nothing to do with Jack and everything to do with our inability to protect the ball in line-outs and in opponents 22.