I don't think Munster have mistreated us. We needed cover, we got it, players are now back from injury.

With only five games left we need to play those on our books, not the Munster ones, to see if anyone plays themselves into a new contract

swift4prez wrote: munster have added borlase to there heineken cup squad so he will be able to play.
i fell munster really stabbed us in the back (no pun intended for stab city, limerick) getting him game time and fit and they take him away.

on a lighter no for all the supporters at the connacht vs somao, exeter have added Junior POLULEULIGAGA to there squad. the laugh we had when the PA guy couldn't say his name.

he is also lady gaga brother as far as i know.

It's the nature of the beast for loans players only get loaned out if it's win/win, I'm only surprised he isn't in the squad to play us this weekend...

munster have added borlase to there heineken cup squad so he will be able to play.
i fell munster really stabbed us in the back (no pun intended for stab city, limerick) getting him game time and fit and they take him away.

on a lighter no for all the supporters at the connacht vs somao, exeter have added Junior POLULEULIGAGA to there squad. the laugh we had when the PA guy couldn't say his name.

he is also lady gaga brother as far as i know.

rossie wrote: seapoint i think everyone who has seen him in red this season would agree with your assessment of his talents. At times he has looked pacey, athletic, imaginative and solid sefensively. The problem has been that he has been indecisive, panicky and error ridden in almost equal measure and sometimes in the same half not to mind same game.
His one area of consistancy appears to be his failure to deliver points from the boot when the pressure comes on.
And im not even talking real pressure like Rog has faced regularly over the years but the type of pressure some teams put on when they get within 7 in the closing minutes at tp and munster are awarded a pen to close it out. These are the type of kicks he misses and Munster fans are not used too that and we dont want to be getting used to it.
Thats why i dont think he will be Rogs long term replacement. Of the players currently on the books that most likely will be JJ Hanrahan but thats far from certain imo.
In fairness he knew coming that Rog was far from finished and hed have to show consistancy in all levels of his game to win over everyone so the fact that he has failed in this area is a concern for him. Pressure comes with the territory at Munster and its often a case of sink or swim. Its in his hands as he will be given the games to show that he is good enough to start the big ones when the time comes. He needs to start doing it in Pro12 first tho before anyone will get excited about him starting in the HEC.

Well a lot of that will come from the expectation that Munsterfans put on new players, new players get very little time to prove their worth especially if they are not from Munster itself.

Give Keats another season and he'll be fine it's his first season with Munster and overall he's done well. Anyone care to remind us how Keatley did for us in season one..??

Suffice it to say he didn't look too polished when he arrived, season two was a different kettle of fish though...

I've every confidence that Keats is more than talented and determined enough to hold down the red 10 jersey in the future if that's his longterm goal....

seapoint i think everyone who has seen him in red this season would agree with your assessment of his talents. At times he has looked pacey, athletic, imaginative and solid sefensively. The problem has been that he has been indecisive, panicky and error ridden in almost equal measure and sometimes in the same half not to mind same game.
His one area of consistancy appears to be his failure to deliver points from the boot when the pressure comes on.
And im not even talking real pressure like Rog has faced regularly over the years but the type of pressure some teams put on when they get within 7 in the closing minutes at tp and munster are awarded a pen to close it out. These are the type of kicks he misses and Munster fans are not used too that and we dont want to be getting used to it.
Thats why i dont think he will be Rogs long term replacement. Of the players currently on the books that most likely will be JJ Hanrahan but thats far from certain imo.
In fairness he knew coming that Rog was far from finished and hed have to show consistancy in all levels of his game to win over everyone so the fact that he has failed in this area is a concern for him. Pressure comes with the territory at Munster and its often a case of sink or swim. Its in his hands as he will be given the games to show that he is good enough to start the big ones when the time comes. He needs to start doing it in Pro12 first tho before anyone will get excited about him starting in the HEC.

rossie wrote: ummm, i have to admit that i dont rate Keatley highly in terms of replacing Rog at all. He seems a bit panicky in general play and his kicking game, particularly goalkicking, is nowhere near good enough for Munster. Rog, jonnie and Mcfadden are all at or around 88% for their goalkicking in Pro 12 and even Nacewa is ahead of Keatly who doesnt even make top 10 on pro12 site. Thats just not good enough for Munster and shouldnt be for connacht either.
His only hope of replacing Rog long term for big games is if Jj Hanrahan continues as a 12 and takes goalkicking responsibility. Most people reckon that JJ will end up at 10 tho but that is for the future. He will play plenty of Pro12 games for munster at 10 tho in a similar fashion to Warwick when he was at tp. Although in my opinion warwick is better player.

Golden Boot / % measurement aren't always an accurate measurement of kickers form and especially from an Irish perspective. For example the pack that RO'G will play behind for Munster will be a very different animal than that which Keatley does. RO'G has only played five games this season in Pro12 (twice against Treviso, once against Aironi, Leinster and Ospreys). The fewer games you play the more likely your percentage holds up while another kicker could have a couple of games in a hurricane and destroy what are otherwise excellent stats. If they want a real test of accuracy then they should realy get all the nominated kickers together one weekend and give them the same number of kicks from the same positions in the same conditions.

Of coure the hard bit for Keats is that in his head he also knows that no matter how well he plays/kicks in RO'G's absence that when he's back in town and available RO'G will always start which must be an adjustment after being Numero Uno with us.....

But Keatley is in fact still third in the overall Leading Marksmen list this season and has finished ahead of RO'G for last three seasons, which is no bad achievement given Connacht's general finishing position and the fact we're not around come the business end of the Magners/Pro12.

And as a bonus he'll always score more tries than RO'G will every season. He's a much more physical animal, and miles ahead of RO'G defensively and in open play as an attacker. His distribution and line kicking is pretty equal, and if he up's his place kicking percentage then Munster have the real deal on their hands.

ummm, i have to admit that i dont rate Keatley highly in terms of replacing Rog at all. He seems a bit panicky in general play and his kicking game, particularly goalkicking, is nowhere near good enough for Munster. Rog, jonnie and Mcfadden are all at or around 88% for their goalkicking in Pro 12 and even Nacewa is ahead of Keatly who doesnt even make top 10 on pro12 site. Thats just not good enough for Munster and shouldnt be for connacht either.
His only hope of replacing Rog long term for big games is if Jj Hanrahan continues as a 12 and takes goalkicking responsibility. Most people reckon that JJ will end up at 10 tho but that is for the future. He will play plenty of Pro12 games for munster at 10 tho in a similar fashion to Warwick when he was at tp. Although in my opinion warwick is better player.

from what i understand of it from twitter is, he went to connacht for rest of the season. we let him go friday but was meant to stay here till end of season. munster have till today to call him up into there squad again, if they dont he is a free man on a contract. easy for some

Ahem, without ROG you'd have Keatley.

If you don't want him you've only got to say

Phew!

Munster could survive without Poc but if anything were to happen to Bj or Rog we wud be in serious bother which is an indictment on Munsters recruiting given there is a squad of 45 to pick from.

I think that is CE's point. Munster do not have a crisis so Borlase should have stayed with Connacht.

That's what I meant. apologies if the wording was confusing.

I think that is CE's point. Munster do not have a crisis so Borlase should have stayed with Connacht. It is possible though that Eric told them he didn't need Borlase's services any longer especially if there was no chance of him being around after this season. Connacht could use the few remaining games to see if any of their own fringe props including Ah You are worth keeping around for another year or two.

what injury crisis?

im serious as i cant find any reference to it anywhere?

Gotta agree if Munster weren't having an injury crisis at TH then he should have stayed here. Maybe Munster are realizing that Archer isn't up to it at this level yet so want him for bench warmer.

1 day on from Twickenham and already the lessons are being ignored. What the hell can be learned by him going back to Munster and spending the rest of the season holding tacklebags for the A side, no-one appears convinced by him but at least let him be given a proper chance and let him stay here until the end of the season and see is he worth keeping in Ireland regardless of which province eventually use him.


Oh well lets just carry on as things are and hope Tom Court can improve enough to hold the scrum steady at tight head against NZ :sick:

he has now left us and gone back to munster. good luck to him in the future.


thought he signed till end of season but seems it was just to cover