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10 years 2 months ago #25186

Evening all!

Up to date for the voting on the Hall of Fame. Will be finalizing voting in a week or so, provided there are no strong objections.

Should the Clan always induct two people to the Hall of Fame?

Yes 1 14%
No 6 86%

Do you think the Clan should have a 'Senior' Hall of Fame

Yes 5 71%
No 2 29%

If you think the Clan should have a Senior Hall of Fame, what should be the criteria?

Player or Coach who has been retired for 5 years 4 57%
Player who has been retired for 5 years 0 0%
Player or Coach who has been retired for 15 years 2 29%
Player who has been retired for 15 years 0 0%
Player or Coach who has been retired for 25 years 1 14%
Player who has been retired for 25 years 0 0%

Do you have to retire in Connacht to be eligible for Hall of Fame?

Yes for all inductees 0 0%
Yes for 'current' (i.e. not 'Senior) inductees 1 14%
Yes for 'Senior' Inductees only 0 0%
No 6 86%
No for 'current' (i.e. not 'Senior) inductees 0 0%
No for 'Senior' Players only 0 0%

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10 years 1 month ago #26096

The main sticking point left on this topic is the question of eligibility.

One school of thought is that only players who have left Connacht or retired at least one season previously should be considered for induction. The other is that players due to retire at the end of the season, along with former players, should be eligible. Having the player attend, while preferable, is not a prerequisite for induction in either case.

The main reasoning behind the first proposal is to bring in a cooling off period which ensures that only true Connacht legends are inducted. The idea behind the second proposal is that we have a much better chance of having the player attend a trophy ceremony in the Clan Bar before they leave/retire.

So what do you guys think? Let us know, as we want to get this finalised sooner rather than later. I think it can be summed up pretty well by the case of Brett Wilkinson. Would people rather we induct him before the end of the season, a la Eric and Johnny, or should the Hall of Fame be more of a long term project, like the NFL HoF?

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Last edit: 10 years 1 month ago by Decadence.
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10 years 1 month ago #26124

Well personally I don't think that we should be too worried about having the players be available to us. It's to honour them, and so really I think we should be of the view that them being around to accept is only a bonus. I don't want to end up in the situation where that plays a part in who we vote in.

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10 years 1 month ago #26126

I agree with Diom. And there should be no reason Wilko couldn't be inducted this year.

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10 years 1 month ago #26128

Does anyone else think that there should be something like a 3 year gap after a player leaves Connacht, before their eligible, or is it just me?

We seem to just vote for whatever player retires each season at the moment

Ofisa
O'Connor
Wilkinson

If we were voting next season, I wonder how many people would pick Ofisa

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10 years 1 month ago #26130

ConnachtCows wrote: Does anyone else think that there should be something like a 3 year gap after a player leaves Connacht, before their eligible


Why? I'd vote for Ray every year if he wasn't already inducted. Absolute hero. You need 3 years to decide?

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10 years 1 month ago #26131

ConnachtCows wrote:
If we were voting next season, I wonder how many people would pick Ofisa


I also agree with Diom.

If we were voting next season or three seasons later, I'd still be voting for Ofisa...

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10 years 1 month ago #26132

menacethedenis wrote:

ConnachtCows wrote: Does anyone else think that there should be something like a 3 year gap after a player leaves Connacht, before their eligible


Why? I'd vote for Ray every year if he wasn't already inducted. Absolute hero. You need 3 years to decide?


I dont need three years at all, I wouldn't vote for Ofisa, but thats my opinion, and I'm not getting into a debate about Ray's virtues.
Similarly, I wouldnt vote Wilkinson this year. Very good servant to Connacht Rugby, but I cant see myself chatting about him in 10 years time as one of Connachts greats.
IMO, only the very best players should get into the Hall Of Fame, and I dont see Ofisa or Wilkinson as two of Connacht's great players

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10 years 1 month ago #26138

The general consensus seems to be that there's no eligibility rule, they're capable of being nominated as soon as they retire?

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10 years 1 month ago #26139

Personally I don't see any need for the Clan to have Hall of Fame. The Connacht Branch already have one and from what I can see they do it pretty well, so we're just duplicating something that already exists.
But given that it's there, I don't think we should have a public vote on every inductee. We'll end up having ridiculous debates on the forum about which of two guys is more of a "legend", and that will end up only insulting one or both of them, which is the opposite to the intention.
Induction should be left up to the committee or alternatively some kind of subcommittee who can put together a list of people that they would like to see in and induct them whenever is convenient. So for example if they know Ciaran FitzGerald is going to be at a particular game, they can announce it in advance and do the presentation to him in person after the game (assuming he meets their approval).

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10 years 2 weeks ago #26629

Hi Guys

So we had to make some decisions on this and this is what we have come up with:

Players are eligible if they have left Connacht or are leaving at the end of the current season.
No limits on numbers inducted
Each year a "short-list nominations" thread will be opened by the committee, where forum members can nominate any eligible player for the voting short-list.
The short-list will be drawn up by the committee using the feedback from the nominations thread.
There will be one vote per member of the forum and highest place players will win.
At the committee's discretion there may be a "run-off" vote.

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10 years 2 weeks ago #26667

As much as I dislike F***book etc I can't help but feel a hall of fame vote restricted to the forum where only a small percentage of Clan fans congregate isn't representative of Connacht fans in general, especially when we have other outlets that reach many more fans. The current active forum membership is a fraction of the number of Connacht fans that turn up for home games, so I can't help right now but feel that a hall of fame nomination is more cliquey than indicative of the actual wishes of those who follow Connacht.

And I say this as someone who appreciates all that the Clan committee has said in the past about how the fans on here put more effort in compared to others, but that's not really the essence of a democratic vote, we shouldn't judge who has more of a right to vote compared to others. And as usual, I'm being all problem and no solution, but that's just me all over, so sorry about that, I'm just airing a worry.

Having said that, I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

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10 years 1 week ago #26671

We do try and blast it out on Facebook and twitter, and it's not like the sign up process is terribly hard either. Putting it somewhere other than the forum would leave it open to manipulation.

And we don't want filthy casual fans voting. Eugh.

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10 years 1 week ago #26672

how about getting the club involved? :ohmy:

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10 years 1 week ago #26674

ummm, wrote: As much as I dislike F***book etc I can't help but feel a hall of fame vote restricted to the forum where only a small percentage of Clan fans congregate isn't representative of Connacht fans in general, especially when we have other outlets that reach many more fans. The current active forum membership is a fraction of the number of Connacht fans that turn up for home games, so I can't help right now but feel that a hall of fame nomination is more cliquey than indicative of the actual wishes of those who follow Connacht.

And I say this as someone who appreciates all that the Clan committee has said in the past about how the fans on here put more effort in compared to others, but that's not really the essence of a democratic vote, we shouldn't judge who has more of a right to vote compared to others. And as usual, I'm being all problem and no solution, but that's just me all over, so sorry about that, I'm just airing a worry.

Having said that, I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.


You're right. All clan members should be equal, with regular forum posters more equal.

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10 years 1 week ago #26676

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