KIDNEY OUT

I think kidney should do whats best for ireland and step down that was a dire performance once again and its now six losses on the trot, we were clueless in the backs leinster are another planet compared and terrible selection policies against a dire south african team.
Murray was ponderous beyond belief shoulnt be even on the bench right now, marshell miles ahead but i dont think it even matters who he picks matters as much as it should, he has a south african defense coach in charge of our backs who shoudnt be let anywhere near them and his biased and outdated method of selection and gameplan will most likely mean we would lose against anyone...also hook doesnt even know the colours of our flags not to mind the strengths/weaknesses players

Firstly will you please use paragraphs and full stops in your posts. reading this is like listening to your one with the pigtails in little britain and i havent even got to the content of your post yet.

Im going to ignore the title of your thread for now and concentrate on the content to start.

1. Murray had a fine 60 minutes and imo reddin did very little to change things up(which was the point of the change) when he came in. His box kicking was good passing crisp and defense solid. i havent heard anyone critisise his performance so far bar you but then you tend to rely on stereotypes and lazy journalists opinion to form yours.

2.Les Kisses appointment is strange on the face of it given that he was hired as defence coach and did a very good job in that role. Im not merely going to endorce other peoples opinion on this though as i dont know where he was prior to ireland or what he has on his cv.

3. What george Hook has to do with a thread of this title has me baffled?!!!!

4. My opinion on Kidney current position is well documented elsewhere as are most contributers to this forum. This however was the best irish performance imo since Aus in the worldcup. They simply ran out of steam around the 60 having previously failed to defend one extremely wellexecuted rolling maul at the start of the first half which cost them the game.

Seapoint and other mods, do we really need another one of these threads, not based on today surely.

rossie wrote: Firstly will you please use paragraphs and full stops in your posts. reading this is like listening to your one with the pigtails in little britain and i havent even got to the content of your post yet.

Im going to ignore the title of your thread for now and concentrate on the content to start.

1. Murray had a fine 60 minutes and imo reddin did very little to change things up(which was the point of the change) when he came in. His box kicking was good passing crisp and defense solid. i havent heard anyone critisise his performance so far bar you but then you tend to rely on stereotypes and lazy journalists opinion to form yours.

2.Les Kisses appointment is strange on the face of it given that he was hired as defence coach and did a very good job in that role. Im not merely going to endorce other peoples opinion on this though as i dont know where he was prior to ireland or what he has on his cv.

3. What george Hook has to do with a thread of this title has me baffled?!!!!

4. My opinion on Kidney current position is well documented elsewhere as are most contributers to this forum. This however was the best irish performance imo since Aus in the worldcup. They simply ran out of steam around the 60 having previously failed to defend one extremely wellexecuted rolling maul at the start of the first half which cost them the game.

Seapoint and other mods, do we really need another one of these threads, not based on today surely.

6 games lost in a row now. not including fiji as its wolfhound, we can easily lose vs argentina. they bet wales very easy today, had few injures so might work in favour for us.

at the rate were going we will be going into the 6 nations with a 7 games losing streak. in that championship we will only be expected to beat a very normal scotland team and a mixed italy team. they will be very tight.

firstly i apologise for the Little Britain comment but i do find your posts a bit of a mouthful and your chosen thread title is imo both inflammatory and poorly chosen.

secondly you appear to forget that we also fielded a second string team and we have far less strength in depth than they do hence the appearance of a SA hooker and a prop who had never played a game in this country before today.
I stand by my view of Murrays performance today and again fail to understand what Hook has got to do with anything.
If you paid attention on here A. there would be no need for this thread and b. you would know that i am from limerick originally. i have never tried to hide that from anyone. I have no need to be Biased towards Munster rugby. Their achievements stand for themselves and for your information there were 10 Munster men involved in the squad today, 5 from Limerick, 4 from cork and a tipp man.
Question for your rugby knowledge, what did reddin(who is also from limerick and related to me) bring to the game today when he came on that improved things so much to warrant your rant about Murray? or are you in fact merely repeating critisms directed at murray for other previous performances?

I was far from trying to stifle debate but we have been debating Kidneys tenure here for quite some time on various other threads.
FAR FROM TELLING ME TO LIE DOWN MAYBE YOU SHOULD WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT GOES ON AROUND HERE.

swift4prez wrote: 6 games lost in a row now. not including fiji as its wolfhound, we can easily lose vs argentina. they bet wales very easy today, had few injures so might work in favour for us.

at the rate were going we will be going into the 6 nations with a 7 games losing streak. in that championship we will only be expected to beat a very normal scotland team and a mixed italy team. they will be very tight.

You're probably right that this could be considered a second string team but that is a huge indictment of Kidney's tenure when you consider the game put in by those second string players.

Macca getting only his second start for Ireland afaik was like a man possessed, and D Ryan was very close as well, has he a dozen starts yet? Henry had a very good shift even though it was maybe his 3/4 start?

The point being if Kidney was better at developing a squad players like these and others could come together in different combinations without an appreciable loss in quality, the way Leinster successfully cycle scrum half and hooker and a few other positions.

Instead of actually developing options Kidney cuts himself off from new options; Zebo gets his second cap in a foreign position while keatley, madigan, d kearney, henshaw and duffy all have experience there. But deccie has been watching zebo for a good few years in his own words, and sees something he likes and is going to stick with it as much as possible.

Sometimes there's just no replacing a player with someone of equal quality (ie Bod) and you just have to work with what you have, but for the most part there are players out there who can do a job and do it well but you have to play terribly for most of an international season or get injured before Kidney looks for a replacement, and at that point you're throwing someone in at the deep end. Then if they don't set the world alight on their debut (as most players do not) we're made to think they're not international level.

rossie wrote: firstly i apologise for the Little Britain comment but i do find your posts a bit of a mouthful and your chosen thread title is imo both inflammatory and poorly chosen.

secondly you appear to forget that we also fielded a second string team and we have far less strength in depth than they do hence the appearance of a SA hooker and a prop who had never played a game in this country before today.
I stand by my view of Murrays performance today and again fail to understand what Hook has got to do with anything.
If you paid attention on here A. there would be no need for this thread and b. you would know that i am from limerick originally. i have never tried to hide that from anyone. I have no need to be Biased towards Munster rugby. Their achievements stand for themselves and for your information there were 10 Munster men involved in the squad today, 5 from Limerick, 4 from cork and a tipp man.
Question for your rugby knowledge, what did reddin(who is also from limerick and related to me) bring to the game today when he came on that improved things so much to warrant your rant about Murray? or are you in fact merely repeating critisms directed at murray for other previous performances?

I was far from trying to stifle debate but we have been debating Kidneys tenure here for quite some time on various other threads.
FAR FROM TELLING ME TO LIE DOWN MAYBE YOU SHOULD WAKE UP AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT GOES ON AROUND HERE.

swift4prez wrote: 6 games lost in a row now. not including fiji as its wolfhound, we can easily lose vs argentina. they bet wales very easy today, had few injures so might work in favour for us.

at the rate were going we will be going into the 6 nations with a 7 games losing streak. in that championship we will only be expected to beat a very normal scotland team and a mixed italy team. they will be very tight.

phatguerilla wrote: You're probably right that this could be considered a second string team but that is a huge indictment of Kidney's tenure when you consider the game put in by those second string players.

Macca getting only his second start for Ireland afaik was like a man possessed, and D Ryan was very close as well, has he a dozen starts yet? Henry had a very good shift even though it was maybe his 3/4 start?

The point being if Kidney was better at developing a squad players like these and others could come together in different combinations without an appreciable loss in quality, the way Leinster successfully cycle scrum half and hooker and a few other positions.

Instead of actually developing options Kidney cuts himself off from new options; Zebo gets his second cap in a foreign position while keatley, madigan, d kearney, henshaw and duffy all have experience there. But deccie has been watching zebo for a good few years in his own words, and sees something he likes and is going to stick with it as much as possible.

Sometimes there's just no replacing a player with someone of equal quality (ie Bod) and you just have to work with what you have, but for the most part there are players out there who can do a job and do it well but you have to play terribly for most of an international season or get injured before Kidney looks for a replacement, and at that point you're throwing someone in at the deep end. Then if they don't set the world alight on their debut (as most players do not) we're made to think they're not international level.

sea_point wrote:
He badly needs to go back to Club coaching where the day to day relationships with a fixed core of players suits his style and mindset better.

Nobody forced him to put ink to paper on the contract the IRFU put i front of him (the same bunch of clowns who gave O'Sullivan a new tenure before RWC'07) and if he had been honest with himself and us he would have politely declined and stood down after RWC 2011 to enable a new hand at the tiller.

sea_point wrote: Jake White is perhaps not the best example Salmson, he left of his own volition after winning the RWC to take up a business role and coin in on his RWC success and only then decided after a few years away from the game to head back into the club game ...

Bonkers Bernie LaPorte isn't much better either, who other than a French club would have him...?? He's up there with Crazy Ray Domenech and Mad Mark Lievremont in lunatic French sports coaches...